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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 07:30 PM
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Freedomworks "Healthcare is not a right"
http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/josheboch/health-care-is-not-a-right

Before government can guarantee provision of a specific good or service to any one individual, thus creating a so-called “positive right,” it must first take by force the means of producing that very good or service from someone else.

Health care is no different. Whether by forcibly appropriating and redistributing the money to purchase care for those who lack it, or by arbitrarily devaluing the time and effort of those who provide it, once a government mandate supplants voluntary exchange, coercion must be used to exercise that “right.”

But how can taking what belongs to another person (their money, time, or effort) through legislative force be a right?
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 07:35 PM
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1.  been debating these freaks on facebook for over a week now
Edited on Mon Aug-17-09 07:37 PM by proud patriot
I actually have the words "Sympathy is a plague" from these haters.

They are full of lies and copy n paste email astroturf ..

Poor deluded fools , duped into defending people who make 100,000 dollars an hour
by denying my Insured disabled son care .

see link in sig line their all there in their anti American horror .

They are good practice you won't get through to em but it's fun to play .
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Carl Skan Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 07:35 PM
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2. When you are on the right side of a debate...
...but lack the skill to make a cognitive argument and instead choose to redefine what a basic human right is.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 07:37 PM
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3. Libertarian nonsense. n/t
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 07:38 PM
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4. The preamble of the US Constitution states...
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, *****promote the general welfare*****, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

WTF part of giving all citizens health care does not promote for the general welfare of said citizens.
They are nuttier than squirrel poop.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 07:39 PM
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5. Yeah great point, I'll be sure to bring it up April 15 when they try to tax me for an illegal war
and weapons systems we don't need.

Also, I hate old people, and Social Security has long since dropped the pretense of being anything but a pay as you go rolling transfer payment from young people to old people. I'll just deduct that plus Medicare from my taxes because old people have no right to take my money. Tax time gets much simpler and affordable when you are the omnipotent sovereign of your own little universe unconnected to others in any way!
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 07:42 PM
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6. Social Security always was a pay as you go, until the 1980's "reform"
where they convinced us to pay more to save up for ourselves (baby boomers). Then, they took the surplus and used it to run government so that they could cut taxes of the high income people.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 07:45 PM
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7. Right to life.
How do you have life without healthcare?
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joecool65 Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 08:26 PM
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8. Constitutional basis
Preamble-general welfare clause
Article I, Section 8-...regulating commerce...; health care is a commodity, it is bought and sold; hence it is commerce.
Article I, Section 8, clause 18-necessary and propery clause.

Simple enough Constitutional basis for health insurance reform.

If some moron follows up with, "Well, health care is not word for word in the Constitution," just follow up with the fact that the Air Force is not Constitutional because it is not word for word in the Constitution. The Constitution explicitly mentions an army and navy, but not Air Force. Hence, there is no Constitutional power granting the establishment of an Air Force. Ask them if they think the Air Force should be disbanded because it is not in the Constitution.
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