I refuse to pay into a health care system without a public option, "mandatory" or not.

They can make it mandatory, they can fine me - I'll resist. I'll refuse to pay. Hell I'll be a fugitive if that's the way it has to be.

I'm not paying for fucking bullshit. And I'm not going to accept the government telling me "you must pay corporations for shitty services whether you like it or not."

Not this time.

...since that's what we've currently got, and you're paying into medicare.

That would be the difference.

That excludes Medicare....he is refusing to pay out to a private "for-profit" insurance company...and I join him in that effort.

Every universal system is mandatory.

If it's optional, it's not universal.

I'm more than fine to pay for a system that gives me the ability to pay to opt-into Medicare for example,

I'm not okay with being told that I MUST pay a private corporation to give me shitty service.

so you'll have to pay in at the end of the year. I would expect the system will be set up to collect fines by just confiscating tax refunds.

This is going to be a bigger bailout than TARP.

In my wonderful state of NJ (parts of it ARE wonderful, actually) they have no-fault insurance which REQUIRES car owners to buy insurance.

It's SAID to lower prices but.. ta-dah! We pay among the highest amounts in the country, and cut the bullshit about 'tort reform' etc.

The insurance companies have a monopoly / oligarchy and they're riding them profits all the way to Daisy Town! Yeee Haa!

Anyway, the 'other' perspective is that if I REALLY objected to it.... I DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE! I could MOVE. Drastic moves but I could do SOMETHING to avoid paying money to the big boys....

But this is ANOTHER DEAL...

I'm with you PH. Fuck that shit!

Can you imagine the poor folks who have had loved ones killed because insurance companies would not let them access care. Now they legally have to pay the monsters.

A part of me is in shock that americans are so naive and easily manipulated.

These are the same insurance companies that killed a million americans in the last few decades by denying care. Now there going to play nice because the wimpy bought and paid for politicians passed a law.

This is not going to go over with the majority of working class americans. Once they find out the weak public option, if it passes, does nothing to control costs, prices continue to rise and subsidies begin to get cut it will be just like mass. with more and more folks unable and unwilling to be ripped off.

I would contribute to any of the other industrialized nations programs should they be implemented here. In the 2 countries that allow for profits to provide coverage the ins. companies would are heavily regulated, both costs and profits, and greatly reduced in size and influence.

Our for profit vultures won't see a dime of my money, they couldn't cover me for the last ten years, screw them.

most of us are welcome to forego medical help

I don't believe that it's constitutional to force citizens to give money to for profit corporations by virtue of birth.

I will be forced to pay, but I will resent the hell out of it.

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-Laelth

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