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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 01:38 PM
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Why "accomplishment" cut and paste lists are disingenuous strawmen.
Edited on Tue Aug-18-09 02:08 PM by Political Heretic
By now we've all seen the cut and paste "list of administration accomplishments" that is pasted by some on cue, whenever anyone dare to do something so sinister as criticize some of the current the politics or practices of the administration.

What's so embarrassing about this, is it's hardly any more sophisticated in than what you would see in a freeper viral email. It is a list, created for one reason only: to make something long enough that it looks impressive and can serve as an argumentation tactic to stifle criticism.

What's worse is that it is, without question, a strawman of the highest order. For one it has never been the case that one set of accomplishments means that anyone should be silent about concerns, or uncritical of setbacks. It's not an either/or.

For another, attempting to silence critics of health care debate that is places the concerns and interests of corporations above others, silence critics of slowly "ending" an illegal occupation in one country only to escalate a war of aggression in another country, silence critics of a bailout plan structured to benefit corporations first, and working Americans as a secondary consideration - attempting to do this by pasting a list of minor, often administrative "accomplishments" as a big "shut up" is hardly more sophisticated that elementary school childish arguments.

So let's compare. First, I'll quote the "list" that has been thrown around for months, as it appears. Then, I'll actually read the list, and make some comments.

The List

# Signed executive orders to close the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, within a year, ban torture and end the CIA’s secret overseas prisons and define treatment of Detainees.
# Reversed restrictions on stem cell research.
# Signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. Reducing discrimination based on gender, age, religion, or race.
# Signed an executive order reversing the ban that prohibits funding to international family planning groups that provide abortions. Gag rule revoked (Mexico City policy).
# Creates the White House Council on Women and Girls "to provide a coordinated federal response to the challenges confronted by women and girls and to ensure that all Cabinet and Cabinet-level agencies consider how their policies and programs impact women and families."
# Signed a Presidental Memorandum extending federal benefits to same-sex partners of federal workers and announced support for the Domestic Partners Benefits and Obligations Act of 2009.
# Reverses U.S. position on LGBT Issues at the UN: At the "Durban Review Conference," U.S. supports language condemning “all forms of discrimination and all other human rights violations based on sexual orientation.”
# Signed executive order requiring federal contractors to offer jobs to current workers when contracts change.
# Reversed a Bush order requiring federal contractors to post notice that workers can limit financial support of unions serving as their exclusive bargaining representatives.
# Signed executive order preventing federal contractors from being reimbursed for expenses meant to influence workers deciding whether to form a union and engage in collective bargaining.
# Created a foreclosure prevention fund for homeowners.
# Expanded eligibility for the refinancing portion of the Making Home Affordable plan to help Americans struggling with distressed mortgages refinance at lower interest rates, even if they owe up to 25 percent more than their homes are now worth.
# Established a credit card "bill of rights".
# Expanded loan programs for small businesses.
# Extended and index the 2007 Alternative Minimum Tax patch.
# Expanded eligibility for State Children's Health Insurance Fund (SCHIP).
# Expanded funding to train primary care providers and public health practitioners.
# Created a new White House task force on the problems of middle-class Americans, and installed Vice President Joe Biden as its chairman.
# Appoints Vice President Joe Biden to Oversee Stimulus Plan Payouts.
# Granted a reprieve to Liberian immigrants facing imminent expulsion.
# Directed military leaders to end war in Iraq.
# Allowing Caskets to be photographed when the return from Iraq with family approval.
# Released nine previously secret internal Justice Department memos and opinions defining the legal limits of government power in combating terrorism.
# On Arab TV Network, Obama Urges Dialogue.
# Gave a speech in Cairo engaging the Muslim and Arab world.
# Bars independent contractors from conducting interrogations of terror suspects.
# Granted Americans unrestricted rights to visit family and send money to Cuba.
# Ordered the release of nearly a quarter of a million pages of records from the Reagan White House that were kept from the public during a lengthy review by President George W. Bush.
# Restored funding for the Byrne Justice Assistance Grant (Byrne/JAG) program.
# Released presidential records.
# Required new hires to sign a form affirming their hiring was not due to political affiliation or contributions.
# Pushed for enactment of Matthew Shepard Act, which expands hate crime law to include sexual orientation and other factors.
# Invites gay families to the Easter Egg Roll as part of the Obama administration's outreach to diverse communities.
# Created a White House Office on Urban Policy.
# Increased funding for the NEA.
# Appointed an assistant to the president for science and technology policy.
# Funded a major expansion of AmeriCorps.
# Banned lobbyist gifts to executive employees.
# Investment in all types of alternative energy.
# Enacted tax credit for consumers for plug-in hybrid cars.
# Support for high-speed rail.
# Provided grants to encourage energy-efficient building codes.
# Extended unemployment insurance benefits and temporarily suspend taxes on these benefits.
# Created the White House Council on Automotive Communities and Workers to help auto industry workers transition to new manufacturing opportunities, including jobs in alternative energy.
# Stopped raids on medical marijuana dispensers.
# Nominated Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court of the United States. If confirmed, Sotomayor would be the first Hispanic to ever serve on the Supreme Court.
# Appointed more than 60 openly LGBT persons to positions in the executive branch.
# Issues Presidential Proclamation for Pride, proclaiming June 2009 as Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Pride Month.
# Signed a mercury reduction pact with 140 other nations.
# Signed the Weapons System Acquisition Reform Act to curb wasteful spending by the Pentagon. Intended to price contracts and budgets lower; may potentially save billions of dollars in defense.
# Signed the Omnibus Public Lands Management Act of 2009, which serves to protect two million acres of land and creates a new system of land conservation for the Bureau of Land Management.
# Phase out government payments to crop producers making more than $500,000 a year and eliminates subsidies for cotton storage to help trim the U.S. budget deficit.
# Cut funding for a proposed U.S. nuclear storage facility at Yucca Mountain.
# Restored Endangered Species Act Provision requiring U.S. agencies consult with independent federal experts to determine if their actions might harm threatened and endangered species.
# Orders The Chesapeake Bay Protection and Restoration "to protect and restore the health, heritage, natural resources, and social and economic value of the Nation's largest estuarine ecosystem and the natural sustainability of its watershed."
# Signed the 2009 Omnibus Public Land Management Act designating two million additional acres of public wilderness areas the highest level of government protection from logging and other forms of commercial use and development.
# Signed the Christopher and Dana Reeve Paralysis Act which will expedite the search for cures and treatments for millions of Americans living with paralysis caused by spinal cord injury, stroke, MS, Parkinson's and many other diseases and disorders.
# Established The Joint Virtual Lifetime Electronic Record, a new system for updating medical records of servicemen and women both during and after their military careers.
# Established the White House Office of Health Reform
# Created new and stronger safety standards to safeguard the country's food supply.


Now, let's examine some of these things more carefully

# Signed executive orders to close the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, within a year, ban torture and end the CIA’s secret overseas prisons and define treatment of Detainees.

Then turned around and argued for the continuing right to detain prisoners without rights, without trial, and indefinitely - just not at Gitmo. Sort of defeats the point, and not mentioning that along side this "accomplishment." The second part of that statement by the way, is outdated. The administration is no longer advocating for an end to overseas prisons. They've been in court arguing for them, and for the right to indefinite detention.

# Signed an executive order reversing the ban that prohibits funding to international family planning groups that provide abortions. Gag rule revoked (Mexico City policy).

Every administration does this. Reagan Bush put it in place, Clinton reverses it, Bush Jr. puts it back in place, Obama reverses it. It's not much of an accomplishment politically. A real accomplishment would be to have the political courage to make it law instead of executive order.

# Creates the White House Council on Women and Girls "to provide a coordinated federal response to the challenges confronted by women and girls and to ensure that all Cabinet and Cabinet-level agencies consider how their policies and programs impact women and
families."

Point(A) Here's an example of things in a list simply so that the list will look longer. These are fine things, that are incredibly minor in scope. We elected a president because we were angered by our international aggression an violence in dishonest name of a global war on terror, because we saw the excess of corporate greed and its destruction of the middle class and working class, because we recognized that we desperately need true health care. We did not elect a president to create a White House Council.

When we are talking about colossal life and death issues like overseas war and health care or economic disaster at home - making a list that includes tiny, administrative actions like this just so that you can pad a list and make it look visually longer is idiotic and childish.

# Created a foreclosure prevention fund for homeowners.

Which has totally failed to work.

# Expanded eligibility for the refinancing portion of the Making Home Affordable plan to help Americans struggling with distressed mortgages refinance at lower interest rates, even if they owe up to 25 percent more than their homes are now worth.

This program is also fraught with problems, and was completely mishandled from the getgo. It was a side-project to the Wall Street bailout, when bailing out borrowers should have been the top priority (both for humane reasons and also for strategic economic reasons) and would have been in a society not so completely dominated by corporate interests.

# Established a credit card "bill of rights".

Which has been mostly meaningless.

# Expanded loan programs for small businesses.

Vague.

# Extended and index the 2007 Alternative Minimum Tax patch.

Every president does this.

# Expanded funding to train primary care providers and public health practitioners.

See Point (A)

# Created a new White House task force on the problems of middle-class Americans, and installed Vice President Joe Biden as its chairman.

OOOOO A TASK FORCE! WOOT.

# Appoints Vice President Joe Biden to Oversee Stimulus Plan Payouts.

Um, this is not an "accomplishment." And see point (A) about things listed to PAD A LIST.

# Granted a reprieve to Liberian immigrants facing imminent expulsion.

See point (A)


# Directed military leaders to end war in Iraq.

....so that he could escalate the war in Afghanistan. Not exactly an "accomplishment" in my book. Not exactly what the peace-movement was fighting for, either.

# Allowing Caskets to be photographed when the return from Iraq with family approval.

See point (A)

# Released nine previously secret internal Justice Department memos and opinions defining the legal limits of government power in combating terrorism.

And marched into court and argued for the right of the government to continue its secretive practices, its overseas detentions, and more. Oh, and also said we should all "move forward" and ignore high crimes committed by our government leaders rather than investigate and prosecute those who broke the law and betrayed the spirit of the Constitution.

# On Arab TV Network, Obama Urges Dialogue.

Wow. See point (A)

# Gave a speech in Cairo engaging the Muslim and Arab world.

A speech is now listed as an "accomplishment?"

# Restored funding for the Byrne Justice Assistance Grant (Byrne/JAG) program.

See point (A)

# Released presidential records.

And has denied FOIA requests, went to court to protect its own secrecy, and back peddled on its pledge of openness and transparency. Will not release visitors logs records - a practice started with Bush. Will not disclose information on things like meetings with Wall Street executives on regulator reform, or with Big Pharma on healthcare.

# Required new hires to sign a form affirming their hiring was not due to political affiliation or contributions.

But hires people with clear-cut lobbying ties anyway, despite its initial pledge that it would not do so.

# Pushed for enactment of Matthew Shepard Act, which expands hate crime law to include sexual orientation and other factors.

"Pushed for" is not an accomplishment.

# Invites gay families to the Easter Egg Roll as part of the Obama administration's outreach to diverse communities.

Oh. My. God. This actually got put on a list.... of accomplishments. See point (A)

# Increased funding for the NEA.

See point (A)

# Appointed an assistant to the president for science and technology policy.

See point (A)

# Banned lobbyist gifts to executive employees.

Instead, just hired lobbyists.

# Investment in all types of alternative energy.

This is not only vague, its largely untrue.

# Enacted tax credit for consumers for plug-in hybrid cars.

See point (A) - Also, we are not going to prevent a climate change disaster by giving consumers a tax credit. We are going to address climate change by forcing corporate industry to curtail polluting.

# Support for high-speed rail.

See point (A)

# Provided grants to encourage energy-efficient building codes.

See point (A)

# Created the White House Council on Automotive Communities and Workers to help auto industry workers transition to new manufacturing opportunities, including jobs in alternative energy.

Yay! He created a council!

# Stopped raids on medical marijuana dispensers.

See point (A)

# Nominated Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court of the United States. If confirmed, Sotomayor would be the first Hispanic to ever serve on the Supreme Court.

She also happens to be a completely benign pick, maintaining the same basic corporate mainstream judicial philosophy posing no threat to the interests of the ruling elite. But yay, she's Hispanic!

# Appointed more than 60 openly LGBT persons to positions in the executive branch.

This isn't an "accomplishment" - its normal.

# Issues Presidential Proclamation for Pride, proclaiming June 2009 as Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Pride Month.

We are calling meaningless Proclamations accomplishments now?

# Signed a mercury reduction pact with 140 other nations.

Boy, thank god I voted for him! I was concerned about our endless wars, our imperialistic aggression around the world, our plunder capitalism driving our economy into the ground at home, the destruction of organized labor and the shrinking middle class, our failing health care and global climate crisis... but thank god that mercury problem got addressed!

# Cut funding for a proposed U.S. nuclear storage facility at Yucca Mountain.

See point (A)

# Orders The Chesapeake Bay Protection and Restoration "to protect and restore the health, heritage, natural resources, and social and economic value of the Nation's largest estuarine ecosystem and the natural sustainability of its watershed."

See point (A)

# Signed the Christopher and Dana Reeve Paralysis Act which will expedite the search for cures and treatments for millions of Americans living with paralysis caused by spinal cord injury, stroke, MS, Parkinson's and many other diseases and disorders.

See point (A)

# Established The Joint Virtual Lifetime Electronic Record, a new system for updating medical records of servicemen and women both during and after their military careers.

See point (A)

# Established the White House Office of Health Reform

It's really doing wonders too.

# Created new and stronger safety standards to safeguard the country's food supply.

See point (A)



Acting as though list of largely minor, or administrative, or incomplete, accomplishments somehow invalidates the deep concerns and criticism of people when it comes to health care, wall street, Afghanistan and Iraq, and the broader economy is asinine.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 01:40 PM
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1. that's "on cue" not "on queue".
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 01:54 PM
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11. Thanks.
fixed.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 01:41 PM
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 01:41 PM
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2. K&R
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 01:42 PM
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3. Appropriate and timely! ha K&R
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 01:43 PM
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4. Bookmarked!
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tj2001 Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 01:48 PM
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5. Sounds like a typical Dilbert job-performance summary
- Extracted file from Windows structure for review, revision, and processing

i.e. "found the damn Word file"
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 01:49 PM
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6. Thank you.
I was just about reaching critical mass on the robo-posts of this list.
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onyourleft Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 01:53 PM
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7. Thank you. eom
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 01:53 PM
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8. Oops.
:thumbsup:
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justabob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 01:53 PM
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9. thank you for that nt
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 01:53 PM
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10. K&R
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 01:57 PM
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12. +1 n/t
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 01:58 PM
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13. I neer saw the accomplishments list as an attempt to silence anyone.
It does, however, belie the not-a-dime's-worth-of-differencers. Accomplishments are good, and this Administration's do significantly distinguish it from those of the preceding one. As you say, it's not an either/or, and those who claim Obama has sold us out completely are simply incorrect.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:00 PM
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14. Yep.
Not that it does much good... but one can try.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:07 PM
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16. That's not quite what they're saying. You're leaving out an important phrase.
People aren't saying "Obama sold us out."

They're saying "Obama sold us out" on afghanistan, on health care, on bailouts.

Now listen carefully - if I'm writing for myself, I wouldn't chose the words "sold us out." Because it makes people defensive. But people who feel like we are not getting the right kind of leadership on key issues: Afghanistan/Iraq, Health Care, Wall Street, - for me add to that EFCA, Civil Rights, Government Transparency - aren't somehow invalided by saying "Hey, he formed a council on middle class issues!"

No matter how long you make a list of mostly minor, often purely administrative "accomplishments" it doesn't invalidate grave dissatisfaction with handling of the key issues on which he was elected
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 03:44 PM
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24. There are many "theys" around.
You're certainly allowed to be dissatisfied--I sure am.

But yes, an awful lot of people are saying "Obama sold us out," often in so many words, and often prematurely.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 04:02 PM
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27. There are not many people saying that the way you are implying.
An awful lot of people are saying exactly what I said.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 04:08 PM
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30. Then can we get around the flat assertion that the list has only one use? n/t
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 11:48 PM
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43. What would that use be?
To attempt to shout down people with legitimate concerns by cut-n-pasting a wall-o-text list of mostly resume-padding fluff?
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 06:23 AM
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52. Nothing necessarily so sinister.
Some of us who are disappointed with lack of progress on the big issues need some good news. I think it's also important to remind ourselves that the current Administration isn't as totally corrupt as its predecessor, and that our lobbying isn't completely in vain.

I've seen the list a few times, and it is also wielded as a way to shore up the confidence of those of us who may be wavering.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 08:50 AM
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54. It's a joke

That mickey mouse list of 'accomplishments' palls before the major issues which are being handled entirely wrongly.

k&r
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:05 PM
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15. Thanks you! You forgot the presidential garden.
Which was probably being installed while he and Clinton were threatening the careers of any junior congressperson who voted against the escalation of Afghanistan.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:12 PM
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17. Down down down it goes as the unrec warriors are called to arms. :)
That's fine. The post is primarily so that I or anyone else can reference it when a cut and paste list is used in an attempt to invalidate their legitimate criticism.

And evernoting too, in case its removed.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:14 PM
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18. .
:kick:
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 09:58 PM
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37. You've made it quite clear that you're here to disrupt
Edited on Tue Aug-18-09 09:58 PM by HughMoran
That's OK, those of us who read your bitterness elsewhere are not surprised.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 10:19 PM
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38. Blah blah blah.

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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 10:29 PM
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41. Your most intelligent post yet
Maybe you're not so bad after all! :P
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 11:45 PM
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42. There's the pot calling the kettle black.
The more you insult, the more I know I'm doing the right thing, seeing as how you basically represent everything I oppose. :hi:
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 02:25 AM
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46. disrupt - what, exactly? i thought this was a political discussion board for democrats.
not sure how debating the issues "disrupts," unless the board is intended to be a syncophants' circle-jerk.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 02:53 AM
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49. you're a one-trick pony
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GaYellowDawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:32 PM
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19. K & R. nt
nt
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:42 PM
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20. Thanks! Normally I need to turn on any random AM radio station in the country...
Edited on Tue Aug-18-09 02:43 PM by tjwash
...to hear some egotistical blow-hard express their unreferenced opinion like it is fact, whilst talking down to everyone who dares to disagree with them, but damn it all if you haven't managed to bring it all the way to the great unwashed who frequent an internet message board, just in case any of our car radios happen to be busted :woohoo:

And no...I'm not even gonna waste any additional time wading through that e-whackoff-job you just spooged all over the screen. Have fun acting like our little DU version of John Galt. :rofl:




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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 06:36 AM
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53. I love it when,.
Edited on Wed Aug-19-09 06:50 AM by sendero
....morons compare any criticism of Obama to those of a wingnut. Guess what, some of us have a brain and we expect our leaders to keep their promises. Obama does not get a pass because he is a Dem, with his record so far you'd hardly even know he is.
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:49 PM
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21. A kick and a rec. Nice work!


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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:55 PM
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22. K&R -
I wonder when anything of meaning will be done.
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ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 03:39 PM
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23. Thank you. k/r
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kiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 03:46 PM
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25. Thank you for doing the research and posting this
response. But you forgot, he did get that that cute dog for his daughters...
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 04:03 PM
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28. Sadly, that's actually listed on the original list.... I just ignored it.
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kiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 04:06 PM
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29. I saw that on one of the threads this list was posted on,
and just wanted to make sure it was fully acknowledged :rofl:
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 03:57 PM
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26. k and r
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 04:08 PM
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31. K&R. Nothing more ridiculous than those lists. nt
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 04:54 PM
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 05:09 PM
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34. kick
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 09:49 PM
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35. Obama is a wimp. eom
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 09:56 PM
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36. anus?
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 09:26 AM
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57. you've been repeating that everywhere. is that supposed to be clever?
i for one am glad you're so bitter.

:hi:
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SmileyRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 10:21 PM
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39. self delete
Edited on Tue Aug-18-09 10:23 PM by SmileyRose
I'm posting too tired and thought you were talking about the idiot list being emailed by the RW nutz.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 10:22 PM
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40. Dude...get a hobby
This is what you're concerned about?

Emphasis on concern.

:rofl:

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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 01:22 AM
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44. So basically you just answered a bunch of one-line accomplishments with one-line rebuttals
Just because you've deemed those things to be minor or inconsequential doesn't mean that others agree.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 02:20 AM
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45. Not quite
I answered a bunch of one-liner resume padders with the same lengthy answer - point A. Just because the same point applies to many of them, doesn't make it a one liner.

And you're missing the point slightly - first they are minor compared the major national issues on which Obama was elected. That's not the same as saying they are inconsequential. Most importantly however, none of them invalidate the criticisms of those who have grave problems with topics such as health care, iraq/afghanistan, civil rights, government transperency and accountability, wall street, etc.

That's how this list is typically used. Someone makes critical comments critiquing policy on one of these subjects, and "bam" this cut and paste list appears as a big fat "so shut the fuck up" - and the notion that somehow a list designed for the sole purpose of looking "long" somehow invalidates other criticism is asinine.
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voc Donating Member (279 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 02:32 AM
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47. Do you honestly believe
That the President could accomplish, what you call the "Major National Issues", which we elected him for,
in a six month time period?
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 02:45 AM
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48. It's not about speed, its about direction.
People aren't upset because everything isn't already done. People are upset because we're heading the wrong way.
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voc Donating Member (279 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 03:09 AM
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51. I understand about direction but
given our country has moved so far to the right isn't time a necessary factor in correcting said direction?
IOW, If he moved toward the left even a little, would it be noticed/effective this soon? His bipartisan stance, while admirable, I think is misguided, but I want to believe it is a circuitous way to moving this country at least to the center and possibly to the left of center.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 03:01 AM
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50. Why do you hate Amerika??
:sarcasm:
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 09:08 AM
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55. I imagine someone posting a list...
I imagine someone posting a list of accomplishments varies as much as in intent as there as individuals actually posting it...

I would think in many cases, it's both valid and relevant. In many other cases, it's simply a non-sequiter. I'm certainly not clever enough to ascribe motives to the entirety of people who make use of that list.
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Seen the light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 09:18 AM
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56. Seriously great job.
My biggest concern with Obama has been how little political courage he has. It really started when he was President-elect and refused to help fellow Democrat Jim Martin in Georgia because he was afraid Martin would lose and it would make him look bad.

The vast majority of his "accomplishments" are things that John McCain would have done as well. Lots of non-partisan stuff on the list.
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dolphindance Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 09:08 PM
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62. Well then, why not just have McCain then? Unrecced. (n/t)
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 09:28 AM
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58. you know, if i didn't know better... i'd think you were insinuating he hasn't done too much.
;)
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 09:07 PM
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61. Posting anti-Obama talking points is a real accomplishment.
Obama just wishes he was as accomplished as the OP, who clearly has accomplished so much more than that loser.
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 08:49 PM
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59. Some excellent points in there
Don't forget Africom.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 09:04 PM
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60. Sure, if you're hostile to him, you can spin anything
as meaningless if it's positive and assign him all the blame if it's negative.
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JBoris Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 09:17 PM
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63. List of bush accomplishments:


1. Cleared a lot of brush
2. Ducked two incoming shoes

end of list
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 09:32 PM
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64. Gee, I think the list is a good thing....
Edited on Fri Aug-21-09 09:43 PM by Spazito
so I can understand why it irritates you. I will continue to post it when appropriate and you can continue to be irritated.

Ain't democracy grand!

Your posts, more often than not, are, imo, a mixture of self-aggrandizing pablum along with a good dose of crying about non-existent attempts to stifle criticism and very little relevant facts.

I hope you realize when Point A sucks then all subsequent references to Point A also suck. Point A sucks, it is simply a whine dressed up as analysis, imo.
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 09:38 PM
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65. What about the puppy?
That's one less canine on the street that could've turned towards Al-Qaeda.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 09:43 PM
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66. knr and thank you n/t
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