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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:29 PM
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Does President Obama have the guts?
Mr. President, You have the House majority. You have the Senate majority. The people are behind you.


You do not have any Republican allies. They are dead weight, intentionally dragging your presidency down with them.


Why do you continue to pursue *bipartisanship* when Chuck Grassley, the supposed "prime bipartisan negotiator", cut you off at the knees?


You do not have allies in certain Democrats such as Max Baucus and Kent Conrad. They are interested only in preserving the profits of their largest contributors, the insurance companies. These people, among a few other recalcitrant Democrats, are not friendly to your health care agenda.


Mr. President, now is the time to seize the reins to change the course of our history for the better.





Does President Obama have the guts?

By ROGER SIMON
August 18, 2009


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And we are now going to see how he governs when it comes to meaningful health care reform. In his heart and in his head he knows what it takes for such reform. He knows that a public option — a government-run health care program like Medicare — has the best chance of competing with the insurance industry.

In Grand Junction, Colo., last week Obama said that if the public option “could keep its costs lower and provide a good-quality service and good benefits, then that would help keep the insurance companies
honest.”

The public option would do so by creating not socialism but competition. In order to compete with the huge health care industry, you have to be huge yourself or you get steamrollered. That’s why a public option would work and a system of smaller health care “co-ops” almost certainly would not.

In general, the health care industry wants health care reform and for a very simple reason: It would mean 47 million new customers, many of them young and healthy.
But the industry does not want a public option as a part of that reform, because a public option would be large enough to negotiate with private insurers, pharmaceutical companies, hospitals and doctors for lower costs.

“A public option would cut deeply into their current profits,” writes Robert Reich, former secretary of labor under Bill Clinton. “That’s why they’ve been willing to spend a fortune on lobbyists, threaten and intimidate legislators and ordinary Americans, and even rattle Obama’s cage to the point where the administration is about to give up on it.”

We don’t know for sure that Obama is about to give up on the public option. I think, in the end, he will not. I think he may be tougher than some think and stronger than the polls show. But I admit there are troubling signs.

“The public option, whether we have it or we don’t have it, is not the entirety of health care reform,” Obama said at Grand Junction. “This is just one sliver of it, one aspect of it.”
But it is a very important sliver, a critical aspect. And how Obama acts right now on health care reform could tell us how he will act for the rest of his presidency.

Sometimes it is not enough to have just your heart and your head in the right place. You have to have your guts there, too.





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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:32 PM
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1. No.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:32 PM
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2. He, his admin, our Reps, etc etc, all realize what we want...
Now, what will come of that exactly has yet to be seen ... but if this govt's track record is any indication, as it should serve to point to the obvious, your wants/needs will of course be expendable to the aims of corporate power.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:44 PM
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10. +1. n/t
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:32 PM
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3. Yes, he does.
He had already shown it by running and winning despite all the crap thrown at him.
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:34 PM
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4. I'd like him to show it again
and keep showing it

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 03:11 PM
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20. You don't have to show "power" to show guts.
What he is doing right now is pretty gutsy.
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barbiegeek Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 03:54 PM
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22. Showing up at Townhalls with guns aimed @ u by teabaggers is ballsy.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:42 PM
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9. well said-
i dare say he's got more guts than most any of us.

He's literally put his life, and his family on the line- It would have been so much easier for he Michelle to have chosen to stay out of public service, practice law, live large, making a good living in the suburbs somewhere.

He's got 'guts' regardless of how any of this crap pans out.

what's 'our' excuse?

:hi:
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:36 PM
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5. Doubtful.
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newscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:36 PM
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6. No, he doesn't.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:37 PM
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7. He doesn't buckle, he doesn't behave in expected ways, it's scary for people...
But he's consistent. He promised reform, he wants a public option, that hasn't changed.

:mad:

I can't believe the fucking tripe I read about how he's changed his positions, he's moved his "emphasis" from "health care" to "health insurance".

Bull Shit!

Use of the word Insurance does not assure private sector management.

Some examples:

The Old-Age and Survivors Insurance Trust Fund: https://www.socialsecurity.gov/OACT/ProgData/describeoasi.html

Disability Insurance Trust Fund: https://www.ssa.gov/OACT/ProgData/describedi.html

Medicare (Hospital Insurance, Part A): http://www.ssa.gov/policy/data_sub53.html


I won't buy into the word selection drama.

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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:37 PM
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8. Question: why insist on framing this as having to do w/guts when big $ is the obvious determinant?
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:48 PM
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11. Lack of political will brought us the Patriot Act, Iraq invasion, FISA fail, Mukasey,
Edited on Tue Aug-18-09 02:51 PM by seafan
...telecom immunity, corporate-friendly bankruptcy changes, Bush's Medicare prescription drug bill, and surrender to the non-investigation of Bush/Cheney crimes. This is, sadly, not an exhaustive list.


I'd agree with Roger Simon here, that guts are a prime ingredient to moving this thing forward.




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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:55 PM
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14. A simpler, yet unfavorable to deep seated belief systems, is that they're more or less all in on it
The 'it' being oligarchy.

If you walk the premise through, to suggest a lack of "political will" is to suggest that alone has governed the intent and actions time after time after time, yet the conclusions always yield favorable results to power over the wants and rights of the people. The 'fear' angle doesn't add up at all, especially when one considers lobbyists and contributions, running in professional circles w/convergent interests, etc.
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StillHopingForChange Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:51 PM
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12. I've been wondering the same.
This is not an issue that lends itself to compromise. Either the President and 'our' government do whats right for the citizens (even if they themselves, don't understand whats right for them), or we buckle under to corporate interests.

If the latter happens,I lose what little faith I currently have in his determination, perception of what he was elected for (or at least, why I voted for him), and his guts...
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Walk away Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:53 PM
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13. Bill Burton Deputy WH press flunky on CNN right now....
They sent out the nobodies to give us the bad news. The President "believes" in a public option. But we have to listen to everyone, AARP, doctors, parma, insurance industry, republican party. Everyone but us.


So the answer is...Obama believes in single payer. But we need health care reform so..... What a bunch of political garbage. It's actually sleezy.


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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:58 PM
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15. Huh? The Deputy Press Secretary is a nobody?
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Walk away Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 03:02 PM
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17. That's the point. They have to keep the message up...
that the President likes a public option, not that we will have a public option or that he will even push for a public option. No one with anything to lose is going to keep feeding up this crap.
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Walk away Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 03:08 PM
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18. Bill Burton now on MSNBC doing the smarmy, two faced..
double talk. He even just lied about the president saying he would insist on a bill will with a public option. He is speaking for the president and lying through his teeth. I can't believe my eyes but there it is. I don't expext the president to have the balls to come out and tell the truth. I am disgusted.
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barbiegeek Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 03:55 PM
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23. Public bipartisan face & close door face are not the same
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musiclawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 03:02 PM
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16. I think he's unsure what to do because of shitty advisers.
I've learned from watching juries work--- it's the simple things they see and that the professionals often overlook that determine outcomes.
It's very simple. Without a true public option, there is no bill ( or bill woth having) If there is no bill, there will be the perception that even with this great "perceived" majority president could not deliver.
Outcome: president/Dems are weak/have no courage/afraid to do what's right = loses in 2010 and castrated presidency in connection with everything else, no matter what other successes he has. Hence, he needs do what it takes. Realize there is no bipartisnship and just ram in through in parliamentary fashion. Do not take foot of opponents throat. They sure as hell wouldn't. This is the most critucalk juncture of his administration. If he does not get it done he will be seen as a failure. Change? What Change? ....... So WE should not be asking, or supplicating. Rather we should DEMAND the PO and let him know that we are PO'd
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frebrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 03:08 PM
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19. Don't think guts is the issue....
I question whether he has the will. I consider him a centrist and, in this country at least, you can't be a centrist without being a corporatist to some extent (whether consciously or not).
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iceman66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 03:16 PM
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21. Congress is the one with no guts.
They are the ones who actually have to pass a bill.

Where is the Congressional leadership on this issue? Who in either the House or the Senate is taking a strong public stand in favor of meaningful health care reform?

All we hear about are "Blue Dogs" in the House and turncoat Senate 'Democrats' like Conrad and Nelson.

Obama has made his intentions very clear, but how far can he be expected to stick his neck out if the votes just aren't there?

Look at it this way: if Congress were to pass a single-payer bill, do you really think Obama would refuse to sign it?
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 04:19 PM
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24. Guts? I don't even think he has the intent. But that's just my opinion.
This has been a dog and pony show. The bottom line is:

1) Our elections are a dog and pony show, with no "public option" only corporate shills.

OR

2) We can elect politicians who *care* about the people, but they are not permitted to act for our benefit and they risk nothing to so much as try.

=

same thing
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Walk away Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 04:35 PM
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25. +1
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 04:56 PM
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26. August 18: Grassley Calls Obama and Pelosi ‘Intellectually Dishonest’
NYT blogs


August 18, 2009



Steve Pope/AP


Senator Charles E. Grassley, Republican of Iowa, called President Obama and Speaker Nancy Pelosi “intellectually dishonest” on Tuesday, saying that Democrats were using the flap over end-of-life consultations to divert attention away from health care legislation currently being considered in the House.

The Iowa Republican, while not explicitly mentioning euthanasia or rationing of care, also said that he did not want government policy to “treat life at age 85 different than we do life at 35.” (At a town hall meeting last week in Adel, Iowa, the senator said, “We should not have a government plan that will pull the plug on grandma.”)

.....




Mr. Bipartisanship Negotiator has lost his mind.


To continue treating this blatant betrayal of American principles as anything other than this, is folly.




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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 09:44 PM
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27. obama is a wimp. eom
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