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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 03:37 PM
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It's not a matter of "lacking guts/political will," it's this ...
Why do some insist that the potential for no public option is grounded in Obama, and/or our Reps lack the GUTS to STAND UP AGAINST big $ interests...

... when we already know this?

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"Have any other members of Congress received money tied to the health insurance industry? I’m glad you asked. Here are some illuminating figures from Open Secrets (see the link near the bottom of the Open Secrets page http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2009/03/health-insurers-owe-policyhold.html).

Below are other members of the present Congress who have figures above $200,000. The champ of the list, by far, is from neither the Senate nor the House, but rather the executive branch—one Barack Obama, at $1,427,180.

Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) $767,841
Rep. John Boehner (R-Ohio) $737,260
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) $697,351
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) $684,787
Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) $680,184
Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.) $655,899
Rep. Earl Pomeroy (D-N.D.) $611,554
Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) $522,546
Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) $520,327
Rep. Charles B. Rangel (D-N.Y.) $490,098
Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) $477,620
Rep. Eric Cantor (R-Va.) $461,850
Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) $449,066
Sen. Evan Bayh (D-Ind.) $448,938
Rep. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) $425,378
Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) $422,149
Sen. Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah) $382,880
Sen. Arlen Specter (D-Pa.) $366,828
Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) $361,750
Sen. Jon L. Kyl (R-Ariz.) $350,968
Rep. Dave Camp (R-Mich.) $350,873
Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) $339,330
Rep. Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.) $320,071
Rep. Richard E. Neal (D-Mass.) $316,414
Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.) $314,823
Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) $309,500
Rep. John B. Larson (D-Conn.) $304,900
Sen. Richard C. Shelby (R-Ala.) $285,900
Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) $284,830
Rep. John Tanner (D-Tenn.) $250,750
Sen. Judd Gregg (R-N.H.) $248,175
Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) $247,686
Sen. Jim Bunning (R-Ky.) $247,437
Rep. Joe Barton (R-Texas) $243,595
Sen. Mike Enzi (R-Wyo.) $237,750
Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) $236,725
Rep. John D. Dingell (D-Mich.) $233,950
Sen. Tom Carper (D-Del.) $232,220
Rep. Sam Johnson (R-Texas) $227,808
Rep. Spencer Bachus (R-Ala.) $224,050
Rep. Nathan Deal (R-Ga.) $222,196
Sen. Ben Cardin (D-Md.) $219,854
Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.) $216,250
Rep. Edolphus Towns (D-N.Y.) $204,200
Rep. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) $203,450
Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.) $203,050


The total for these 46 members of Congress is more than $17 million. That’s enough to take a few trips to visit the constituents.

This partial list of those who received industry contributions is not presented to suggest that any of the congressional members have been “bought” by the health insurance industry. But what flesh-and-bone human being would not at least be influenced by such largesse?"

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090817_pulling_the_plug_on_the_public_option/
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 03:39 PM
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1. Decades ago me and my crew were offrered quite a bit of money
by some folks to forge records. We didn't take it. I told my crew, you do, they own you...

This is not that different
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 03:53 PM
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3. It is not different.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 03:52 PM
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2. They keep getting richer. More issues, more businesses, more money.
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 03:56 PM
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4. But money has a Constitutional right of free speech...
So says the Scalia court..
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 03:59 PM
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5. Why the case is so damn fucking critical
if they rule for the corps, it will be more than just official... get a whiff of that fascism...
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 04:07 PM
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6. !!!

”Unlike other candidates, I am not funded by those corporate interests.
I owe them no loyalty, and they have no influence over me or my policies.”
---Dennis Kucinich


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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 04:08 PM
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7. Love that quote from Kooch!
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 04:10 PM
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8. Rec'd. nt
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Loge23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 04:29 PM
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9. Health care reform is really HC scandal
This is nothing short of an outrage.
No wonder Obama went soft on this.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 04:31 PM
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10. Dive Artists
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 04:36 PM
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11. Hand meet glove. K&R
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 04:50 PM
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12. How much of that is individual donors
A health insurance PAC is one thing, but someone who works as a bureaucrat in BCBS who donates $50 to Obama is something totally different. When I had my old job I technically worked in manufacturing and the chemical industry, so my donations would probably be listed as somehow being a sign that Obama was in the pocket of the ACS. However that is not the case.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 04:55 PM
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14. Did you list that when you donated
most forms you can do that.

When I have given money, and that is over, I made sure that it was individual.
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 09:04 PM
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15. I was required to give my job title and employer whenever I donated
So I assume that people will look at my donations and assume the politicians I donated to are in the pocket of the chemical industry, when they are not.
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 04:51 PM
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13. Doh
Bundler mania never looked sooo good eh?

K&R
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 09:39 PM
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16. Obama is a wimp. eom
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 08:15 AM
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17. Bumping
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