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bbernardini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 07:40 PM
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What's the origin of the Nazi talking point from the Barney Frank townhall?
I've heard the Nazi references before, but this woman seemed to have a very specific talking point. Anybody know if she came up with this one herself, or is it getting passed along from a right-wing talking head or website?
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 07:43 PM
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1. Rush/Beck and Fox news Who else!
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hugo_from_TN Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 08:29 PM
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14. Nope, Lyndon LaRouche
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 08:55 PM
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21. Nobody listens to LL. Rush Beck Fox News.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 07:43 PM
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2. They claim Obama = Hitler.
This is not based on say...the seven points of becoming a fascist state nor even a simple understanding of what fascism is. They don't even know the right from left and there have actually been a few batshit pundits who claim Hitler was a liberal and a socialist...the connection? His party was called the "National Socialist" party...WOW...now that's a logical leap!

Personally, they're trying to get back at us for pointing out (quite rightly) what Bush and Cheney were trying to do to us.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 07:43 PM
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3. That Person, Sir, Seems To Have Been A LaRouchite....
They are very big on the 'Nazi' angle.
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abelenkpe2 Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 07:48 PM
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7. Larouche
So, my aunt posted the video of Barney Frank asking that woman what planet she was from on her facebook page and my "birther" mother responds that that woman was a Larouche democrat. And isn't it interesting that democrats are against the health care bill.

Are Larouche followers democrats?

Any info appreciated. I'd really really like to say something to refute that.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 07:52 PM
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9. They pretty much hate anyone in power.
They hated on Bush for X reason and hate on Obama for Y reason...X being the left's complaints about Bush...Y being the right's complaints about Obama.

Basically I'd like to think that they try to appeal to folks upset with the current regime to bring them into the fold.

To call them Democrats or Republicans is just wrong.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 08:04 PM
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10. They Are Not Democrats, Ma'am
LaRouche is an independent political cult leader, who has been all over the left/right map over the last forty-odd years. His principle hobby-horse has long been that the royal family of England is the evil principle in control, of all events, political and financial and social, aiming at genocide of global proportions.

LaRiuche did at one point thirty years ago instruct his followers to enter Democratic primaries, and he has on several occasions pretended to be running for the Democratic nomination for President. There has not been any actual ballot listing I am aware of.

He was convicted of, and did time for, credit card fraud, in connection with fund-raising effort for his cult. People who had made donations by credit card were finding further charges on their bills....
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 08:41 PM
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18. Public Eye has done some good reporting on Larouche.
Nice concise article linked below:

http://www.publiceye.org/larouche/truestory.html
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 08:38 PM
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16. The LaRouchites say everyone (except Lyndon LaRouche) is a Nazi.
IIRC, including Elie Weisel.

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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 08:39 PM
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17. Yes, the woman compared health care reform to the Nazi's "T4 Action"
which euthanized people they deemed to be "incurable." The Larouche website has an article titled LaRouche: `Obama Is Now Impeachable' for His T4 Plan.
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Terry in Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 07:44 PM
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4. Nazi talking point
I think we're just seeing Godwin's law in action...

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abelenkpe2 Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 07:44 PM
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5. Some are saying nationalized
healthcare was started by Hitler. (You see a slippery slope to facism....first healthcare for all, then we're invading other countries.) I believe it was actually begun by Otto von Bismarck in 1883. But does anyone with better knowledge of this?
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nealmhughes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 08:26 PM
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13. Unemployment, health insurance, old age pensions, all started by Bismark.
His government did this to nip leftist agitation by preempting anything to bitch about (in 19th Century Imperial
German terms, anyhow). Brilliant. On paper, the German Empire was about the most democratic country in Europe after France and the UK (after the various Reform Bills) and Switzerland, and San Marino. In practice, not so much, but they were busy building an empire out of various formerly independent states that had been allied to France, Prussia, and Austria, making the King of Prussia the Emperor, and leaving the smaller states of Wittemburg, Saxony, Sch.-Holstein, Hesse, Bayern, etc. to be tied to the Empire by trade and military alliance and Prussia just gobbling up the smaller ones who had been allied with Austria or France for the most part. Germany had not really recovered from the 40 Year's War when she was met with the Napoleonic Wars and the Western part of Germany and the Lowlands were the main battlegrounds.


Took a World War and a Labour government for the UK to catch up socially or industrially. Then the second war and there was no Germany, only 4 occupied zones. My, how an utterly devastated state has recovered! It is hard to believe that the strongest economy in the EU and happy people could have once been imperialists and then Nazis. I reckon the age of Beethoven and Goethe is back again.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 07:45 PM
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6. Probably Frank Luntz. He likes death, fear and torture. nt
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 07:52 PM
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8. I suspect it dates back to the contest Move-On had in which
two out of thousands of contestants posted a video comparing Bush to Hitler. Move-On pulled the ads from the site ASAP and never endorsed the sentiment, but the damage was done. In the tit-for-tat Conservative mind, somewhere some place some time compared their guy Hitler, so now they get to call our guy Hitler!
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 08:16 PM
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11. It's called 'projecting'. A theocratic fascist calling Obama Hitler
is expected clap trap from the ignorant right wing nut faction of American society.
:dem:
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 08:22 PM
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12. In 1930s Germany they did things like.. build schools and roads and care for the sick. So clearly...
if you do anything of these things you are a Nazi
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 09:31 PM
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24. Hitler was a vegetarian thus...
people that argue like this are people not worth having arguments with. Frank did the right thing.
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firehorse Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 08:33 PM
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15. Mises book on socialism is what this freeper says:
Edited on Wed Aug-19-09 08:34 PM by firehorse
I don't know how to quote here -- but this is what a freeper poster at another political site says:

--In Ludwig von Mises book on Socialism, Mises describes the problem with what he calls the German (yeah, Nazi German) program of "social insurance". It's obvious from Mises's discussion that the Nazi program is essentially the same as Obamacare. So Barney Frank, why do you insist on promoting a Nazi-style health oppression program? The questioner was right. Frank was wrong.--
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Jackeens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 08:43 PM
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19. She wore an 'Israel Defence Forces' t-shirt...and she shouted "Heil Hitler". Me? Baffled.
:shrug:
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 08:53 PM
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20. You have the wrong fruitcake. (I know they're hard to keep track of.)
Edited on Wed Aug-19-09 08:55 PM by Liberal In Texas
The one you're talking about was in Vegas shouting down and Israeli emigree who was talking about how good the health care system in Israel was compared to the crappy one here in the US.

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Jackeens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 08:58 PM
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22. Yikes, sorry! There are so many of them I'm befuddled!
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 09:12 PM
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23. She just watched "Lilies of the Field" and thought it was ok to call a black man a Nazi.
So in reality Sidney Potier is the first black man to be called a Nazi.
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