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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 07:30 AM
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What's wrong with health care today?
Insurance companies take too much money for what they provide. What wrong with our congress men and women? They take too much money for what they provide. Until our representatives are shown their greed will not be tolerated, there will be no relief. Vow to withhold your vote for any congress-critter who stifles healthcare reform. It's the only way.

Politicians are mostly narcissists. They are in it for themselves, not the American people. How fuckin sad is that? The blue dogs need to be eliminated if they can't get on board. Nothing short of offering to buy into medicare is acceptable. Nothing.

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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 07:45 AM
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1. Ambinder: White House “Won’t Buckle” To Liberal Demands For Public Plan
Ambinder: White House “Won’t Buckle” To Liberal Demands For Public Plan
Ambinder: White House “Won’t Buckle” To Liberal Demands For Public Plan
By: Jane Hamsher Wednesday August 19, 2009 2:33 pm

http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/08/19/ambinder ... /


I know people are reluctant to believe that the President has no plans to include a public option in his health care bill, but according to Marc Ambinder, that is indeed the truth:

The White House and Senate Democrats won't buckle to demands from liberals that they revise their health care strategy, officials said today.

Liberals are demanding the inclusion of a public plan. The White House won't "revise" their strategy to accommodate them.

Glenzilla:

The attempt to attract GOP support was the pretext which Democrats used to compromise continuously and water down the bill. But -- given the impossibility of achieving that goal -- isn't it fairly obvious that a desire for GOP support wasn't really the reason the Democrats were constantly watering down their own bill? Given the White House's central role in negotiating a secret deal with the pharmaceutical industry, its betrayal of Obama's clear promise to conduct negotiations out in the open (on C-SPAN no less), Rahm's protection of Blue Dogs and accompanying attacks on progressives, and the complete lack of any pressure exerted on allegedly obstructionists "centrists," it seems rather clear that the bill has been watered down, and the "public option" jettisoned, because that's the bill they want -- this was the plan all along.

Max Baucus (who is negotiating the White House's bill) today reaffirmed his commitment to have a "bipartisan" bill. Since Republicans will never sign off on a public plan, that's not-so-subtle code for "no public plan." And any time anyone says that, including President Obama, that is in fact what they're saying.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 08:59 AM
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5. Then why was I given the 3 objectives of the Obama administration last night that includes public
option as #2? This came from OFA.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 07:45 AM
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2. The short answer
What's right with health care today? ;)
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 07:51 AM
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3. Rahm..don't crap on your base and expect us to come back to you with bells on!
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/rahm-slammed-dems-attacking-other-dems-as-f-king-stupid-sources-say/


Rahm Slammed Dems Attacking Other Dems As “F–king Stupid,” Sources Say
The Politico’s Jonathan Martin reported this morning that Rahm Emanuel warned leaders of liberal groups in a private meeting this week that it was time to stop running ads attacking Blue Dog and “centrist” Dems on health care.


I’m told, however, that Emanuel went quite a bit further than this.

Sources at the meeting tell me that Emanuel really teed off on the Dem-versus-Dem attacks, calling them “f–king stupid.” This was a direct attack on some of the attendees in the room, who are running ads against Dems right now.

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NOOOOOOOO not all dems Rahm..some of us figured you out a long time ago, and it was the centerist's that tried to shut us up..many of us knew you were and are a con man Rahm..and many of us will not be silenced of what you are doing !
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 08:54 AM
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4. What does Rahm think?
He believes, and rightly so, the next GOP nominee for POTUS will be so repulsive to the liberal element in the Democratic Party that we will once again flock to the polls to vote for President Obama.

Hey, these guys like Rahm are pretty fucking bright. That is why they have their position.
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 09:03 AM
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7. Bright?
The next election is next year...and I'll be damned if I will vote for, or send money to, any candidate that stands in the way of HCR and a public option. Rahm better think about keeping seats in congress first. There is no wiggle room on this. Either there is a public option or there will be no comprehensive reform.
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dugaresa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 09:02 AM
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6. Health Insurance Companies are run like the Mafia
Edited on Thu Aug-20-09 09:07 AM by dugaresa
This is the game.

The Health Insurance Company has you pay them money to protect yourself from financial ruin (protection money). Now depending upon your age and pre-existing conditions, you may be paying them for good reason or not. So they take in premiums of anywhere from $250 to $2000 a month depending on whether your single or a family. Let's say your a family, and you pump $24K into the insurance coffers but you only go for well visits that year, well the insurance company wins. If say someone in the family has a baby, or has a serious condition, well you may win because those costs exceeded your premiums....but wait!

The other part why you pay them protection money is that you gain access to their "special pricing". The Allowable Charges which are negotiated between the Hospitals/Providers and the Insurance companies. If you don't pay them, you have to pay the "retail rate" and that rate is really high. It makes you grateful for even the high premium payments you are making because god help you if you can't.

To top it all off, if the mob bosses at the insurance company decide you are costing them too much, they will "feed you to the fishes" by refusing to authorize treatments that may result in their cash flow being reduced. Better yet, they can outright decide to drop you if your self-insured or raise the protection rate so high you decide dying is cheaper.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 09:06 AM
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8. I believe your asking the question backwards....
Whats wrong with our political process? Politicians depend on corporate contributions for getting elected. They OWE their corporate masters. No capitulation, no money.
Every day a Senator wakes, they wake with the knowledge that they must raise $20,000 that day or they wont be re-elected.
Campaign finance reform should be a top priority, but here lies the rub. In order for that to change, politicians must vote to change it. How do you get them to do that? I don't know.

So, our problem isn't understanding whats wrong with our health care. Most rational people know this already. The problem is getting politicians to vote against their own interest.

And for those of you who think that we can pressure the politicians by saying we wont vote for them, I say bull hockey. These same politicians can make more on K street than they can in congress, so how can we threaten them in this manner? I don't believe we can.

Bottom line, until the money is taken out of politics (and that seems unlikely to happen), we the people are screwed.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 09:06 AM
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9. Health care is designed to make a profit for insurers, hospital corps, and Big Pharm.
There are layers of lard that surround health care, and their purpose is to feed those three segments.

That's the reason our health care is inferior to Canada's and costs 50% more than theirs.
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