At what point do we get over our helplessness?

TIm McVeigh kills more than 100 innocents, at Rush Limpballs' urging, and we don't do anything about it

80 million tax dollars are spent to prove that Bill Clinton got a bj from a staffer, and we don't do anything about it

At the suggestion of a number of Hate Radio hosts, a lunatic guns down members of a church because the church is liberal, and because he can't get close enough to Obama to kill him, and we don't do anything about it. I guess that guy should have waited a few months - today he'd be able to get within a few yards of Obama, or at least hundreds of Obama supporters.

Dems get arrested at McPalin events just for wearing t-shirts or having bumper stickers, and we don't do anything about it.

Insane people wave guns around at Obama events, at the urging of a host of Hate Radio hosts and Repuke Congressmen, and we don't do anything about it.

Limpballs tells the troops, every day on taxpayer-funded radio, that the president is a traitor, racist, terrorist, Nazi, socialist, and Marxist, and we don't do anything about it.

Meanwhile, all of this terrorism works - the right wingers get pretty much everything they want (100 amendments to the health care bill), while we get almost nothing (not that it's going to pass anyway, but what's a public option? Now more Americans trust the Repukes than the Dems to reform HC).

When did the country get away from us? How do we get it back?

sell. This is what we believe and what guides our actions.

Our problem is we are not on the same page. Therefore
when we run for elections--we only have a laudry list
of policies. There is nothing that burns in Democrats hearts
and minds enough to make them passionate about their
party or policy. When the GOP get out and preach their
philosphy, who is ever willing to stand up and go after
them in a continuing spirit illustrating how they are
wrong or misguided.

Instead, often our side is in Me Too mode, affirming
that the Righties are correct.

We start out ready to give away the store even on policy.

Not being on the same page as a party leaves room for the
opposition to try to divide and conquer. Unfortunately,
they do.

The fact is, if there had been a radio host on AFN calling Bush a terrorist, fascist, etc. (which he is), that person wouldn't have lasted two days before he was taken off the air and probably prosecuted for sedition, successfully.

The rules are different for Dems, and it doesn't have anything to do with policy or commitment.

We want to belong to THE EXCLUSIVE CLIQUE of wonderful people who have the all the proper virtues and none of the improper vices and who are the ONLY ONES with the right answers to everything. We hate others on the left who are not in agreement with us in all ways, whereas the Right hates US, and makes no bones about it. Liberals/leftists have kind of a smirky, humerous approach as if to say to the right "you really KNOW we are correct, and some day the light will turn on and you will join us." The RWers are reactionary stupid grasping pigs and could care less while they are stockpiling guns and ammo.
Many left people just do not grasp that the Right is serious in their hatred - it's one thing theyy really know how to do well.

I have been on the far left since the very early '60's, and I am currently active in 3 progressive organizations supporting single payer, very progressive ideas in congress and Obama in general, yetmany people here look down at me as a RWer because I advocate that Dems own guns and learhn how to defent their homes and lives.

Republicans have been able to grasp our lack of focus and cohesiveness and exploit it at will.
If this were to someday change, we would really have power, but I am not seeing anything like this happening unless the RWers go in to actual armed open revolt. Maybe not even then.


mark

You might well be onto something. I am flabbergasted, looking back over the last 20 years, at how the right wing has been allowed to do things to us as a group that few of us would put up with individually. Most of it can be related to the media onslaught, but who knows if that's the cause or the effect?

Good on you for choosing to protect yourself. Have you tried menacing some wingers at a reactionary congressman's meeting?

.308 rifle, just to be prepared if they actually do start marching in the streets.

mark

Added: The left has been this way since I first got fairly interested in the 1960's - very us against them, but it's the wrong "them".

been none.

Alan Berg e.g., the fat pedophile and you will start to see some change.

if a lot of blood letting will help. Something in between carnage and the Stockholm Syndrome would be nice - at least get us moving in the right direction.

of the war on US fascism.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=4001335#4001680

Thanks for your years of service. There seem to be a few of us who don't want to lie down and keep getting rolled over. Will we ever get enough of us organized to resist successfully? As the linked thread exhibits, a majority of Dems think far more of the rights of the terrorists than their victims. Maybe we need more Malloy, less Hartmann.