You either Believe Democrats Are NOT Like Republicans, Or You Don't

And if you don't, then frankly, why the hell are you posting here?

I'm so damn tired of people here repeating the meme that Democrats are just like Repubs. This is a talking point that comes directly from Republicans when they lose. And far too many here fall for it. If you believe that, than I honestly don't know why you are here. If it's true then there is absolutely nothing you can do and whining about it accomplishes what exactly?

The fact is the party does have individuals in it that don't help. It is these few that give any sort of credence to the meme and are the examples pointed to by this. But generalizing the party into something it is not is just utter bullshit that shouldn't be tolerated here.

then maybe you should fact check a little bit. Some are repeating rightwing meme's. The differences are nibbles around the edges and presentation.

into something that isn't is exactly what the Republicans want you to believe.

Good job on giving them what they want.

do some research, especially on all the enabling votes during the last administration.

Democrats are nothing like Republicans

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Democrats are pretty much the same as Republicans

First of all there are a lot of different Democrats, ranging across a continuum from pretty conservative to pretty liberal. Secondly you have to look at the issues; on some issues a person might be pretty conservative, while being liberal on others. Joe Lieberman for example, while kind of a total jerk, has some issues on which most of us would agree with him on.

Bryant

Loyalty check of the day!

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Republicans; some are doing the work of the people. Critical thinking does not equal "whining" except to those threatened by critical thinking.

Politicians will most often say whatever they need to, in order to be and stay elected. Their actions often don't match their words. This applies, no matter the party.

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Take up what you don't want tolerated here with them.

And some the opponents of the big lobbying groups such as Pharma and Insurance. We have a problem with not delivering what we promise, because we are the more democratic party . The monied interests fear about 50% of Democrats are beyond their control..
SO. No . The biggest pluriality of Democrats can be different from Republicans. But, not all.

Key word is SOME. And I am going to continue to whine about it, and I will continue to make calls, and write them and call them on their bullshit.

impersonation... with the "there's no difference!" "it's all rigged!" shit.

Fucking hell is that dumbassery worn out.

some who sincerely believe what they preach, and many who are self-serving narcissists.

Politics should never have been a career choice. They should be scientists, engineers, accountants, doctors, even a few lawyers who take a few years off to serve their constituents and make some changes, then go back to the private life. Idealistic and unlikely but that's the way it should have been.

Both groups of politicians exist primarily to get reelected. To do so they must find a balance between appeasing the special interest groups that funded them, and not pissing off their voters. Main difference between the two: different special interest groups to appease. Although there is considerable overlap, no one for instance is going to piss off the AARP.

This refers only to the politicians of course, not the general political philosophies of either.

Republicans don't have the compulsion for bipartisanship the Democrats seem to have. They feel no need to cross party lines and rarely do so. They listen to their base and pander to them like their political life depended on it. Democrats seem to make a habit of treating their base like they don't matter.

the United Sates is a right wing nation. there are very few truly left leaning americans and those who are left leaning are effectively marginalized by our society.
the best way to visualize our two parties (why are we limited to only two parties?) is to look at historical monarchies.
in this model:
the republicans represent the monarchs, they want no change in the status-quo. theirs is a divine right position. to them we are all peasants. we exist for their exploitation. republicans have only a plan A. when it comes to ruling.
the democrats play the role of the younger sons of aristocratic families. they are not scheduled to inherit the throne yet they always can hope that something happens and they get the throne by default. these people support the status-quo also but have slightly larger and more inclusive sets of courtiers. democrats have both a plan A. and a plan B. because they are uncertain of their ultimate status they develop survival skills that their older brothers don't need to bother with.
neither of these groups represents the commoner.
valuable commoners are those who support the aristocracy. both parties use these fools as tools to quiet the masses.
this may not have always been the case but it is today.

And, that their first priority is attain and keep their power.

See Lord Acton's axiom for further explanation.

but the corporate wing, read DLC... are neo liberas. Not only do you need to fact check on votes, but also ... on what the Third Way is. Then look at what the Business wing of the GOP stands for, and do tell me where the light is in-between then. Now if say they are different than the social conservatives... that we can agree upon.

Of course the DLC is driving the agenda right now... so there.

You're just now noticing that? This experience right now, with Dem control, and failure on health care, isn't enough to make you wonder if you've got the ratio backwards?

"The fact is the party does have individuals in it that don't help."

The fact is the party does have individuals that DO help. They often stand alone. They take a lot of flak. They do the People's business. They are in the minority.

Democrats aren't like Republicans. Corporatists are like Corporatists. Can you tell us who's who and why the Dem trifecta can't work for the people and not Big Business?

Your pious rant is extremely ill-timed. This is what's happening NOW. It is discouraging many good Democrats who have given Congress Dems the benefit of the doubt and support for a very long time, despite all odds.

Is this a political discussion forum or a church?

and if you don't agree with us - get the hell out.

How about establishing common ground and working from there?

Evan Bayh.