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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 11:52 AM
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They can just continue to get all their care, at the ER!
This meme, used to counter a need for reform, has been uttered by every right wing naysayer. This statement goes by, without the designation of complete stupidity, it deserves. The ER has but one function. To stabilize. This works for episodic occurances. Not very well, but as a stopgap. This tendency, has an effect of making trauma/ER care overcrowded, unprofitable and increasingly rare.

This however is not the biggest drawback to relying on this form of healthcare for the uninsured. The real crying shame is, that all those condemned to chronic conditions, ration their own care to life threatening occurances. This makes life a living hell for those poor unfortunate souls. It makes their disease progression very rapid.

The emergency room, unless you are indigent, and that means flat broke, to you naive, charges you at least double, if you are uninsured. You are charged megamultiples on meds. The system rakes you across the coals. Why? Cuz you dont have a lobbyist to protect you of course. There are very few people they can still rape. You, unfortunately, as an uninsured, are the one.

Ask me how I know any of this? First time, I was hit and run on my bicycle. I needed surgery if ever to work again. Only able to get help once indigent. WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! Barely found a surgeon, and he only did it cuz it was an interesting operation for him. WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

Second time, Bush lied to me about BPA in plastics for years. I have heart failure. SS dis says die. Cal state dis is gone. Had to get doc to lie to get unemployment. Employer lied to try to deny me. This system is slowly getting me to a point where I or someone like me, will cause great turmoil somewhere. How can you expect humans to go slowly to their death? Fuck that. I am gonna beat the shit outta whoever I must. Let's roll
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 01:34 PM
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1. And the rest of us gets to see our premiums skyrocket to pay for the uninsured.
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wolfgangmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 01:46 PM
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2. Buzzzzzzz. Next contestant please.
Sorry to be so snarky but you have just repeated a RW BS meme. Please go directly to jail. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.

Which of these do you think is more likely for you increase in premium; the use of ER's at hospitals which Insurance companies try very hard to pay as little as possible for, or the record profits and 20 - 50% administrative overhead (which does not even include such things as stockholder profits, etc and runs at a national average of 27% leading to record salaries, bonuses and profits)?

So which is more likely, insurance company gouging or ERs leading to your increased premiums?

Hmmmmm?
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 02:45 PM
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3. You're full of it! There are dozens of sources that say having the uninsured use ERs costs each
policy holder from $1100 to $2800 a year.

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2009/03/cost_shift.html

The Center for American Progress Action Fund has updated a 2005 analysis by Kenneth Thorpe for Families USA and found that, on average, 8 percent of families’ 2009 health care premiums—approximately $1,100 a year—is due to our broken system that fails to cover the uninsured.

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1887489,00.html

As the U.S. Congress debates health-care reform, American families are already picking up the tab for universal health coverage. That's the finding of a new report released March 24 by the Center for American Progress (CAP), a Washington-based liberal think tank.
Its analysis found that families pay, on average, as much as $1,100 extra and individuals $410 extra in health-care premiums each year in order to cover the cost of treatment to uninsured patients who cannot afford to pay their bills.
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