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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 02:42 PM
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Thanks very much for my communistic, socialistic, anti-american Health Care Program
I'm a military retiree. I'm sure other retirees thank you as well, especially those with job related pre-existing conditions. We wouldn't want to be a burden on the private health care system.

And I am happy to say that in the years I have been retired I haven't cost you much and I want to keep it that way. However, the few times I have used Tricare it has worked like a Swiss Clock. It must be an anamoly in my case because all the experts at town hall meetings say that government health care systems suck.

Thanks again My Fellow Taxpayers.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 02:45 PM
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1. as a taxpayer it is my pleasure. nt
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 02:46 PM
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2. as another tax payer, it's the least we can do for ya
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DemsForWin Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 02:50 PM
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3. Your are an anamoly.......
Tricare is far from being adequate enough, especially for our troops, which are the best and bravest our country has to offer. Like every single other government program, it is running a huge deficit (same as MediCare, MediCaid, Social Security, Postal Service, Welfare). When you simply don't have the money to pay for things, "corners get cut" and people suffer. There are thousands of un-happy stories to your one happy story. I simply do not wish that upon the entire country.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 02:53 PM
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5. actually a report -- recently posted on DU showed
that our veterans care system works remakably well -- in spite of some horrific individual stories.

and shows some pretty good support among veterans.

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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 02:54 PM
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7. It has been an anomoly
for me and my family for more then 30 years. Do you wish to take Tricare away from Veterans? Could you share with me some more substantial data about your "thousands to one" claim? Private health insurance does not "cut corners?" People with private health insurance do not suffer?
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 03:00 PM
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8. We plan to remove the budget cuts for the veterans that Bush put into place
Give us a few more months.

And tell me this. Do you really trust corporate America to do a better job for you? Do you really think they would put a veteran's welfare above a CEO's bonus?


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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 03:01 PM
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9. My husband's nephew spent 7 yrs in the Navy. He's been out for 20 yrs. Has worked maybe one yr in
Edited on Thu Aug-20-09 03:02 PM by SammyWinstonJack
those 20yrs, not because he can't, because he is lazy and his parents cover his ass. He depends on the VA for his medical needs and they deliver, including life saving surgery. He pays NOTHING! And he gets home care and lots of meds delivered to him. Quite the deal, eh. Also the VA cut him a check for $18,000 and is giving him $1,200/mo for disability. He claims that the Navy is responsible for him having asbestos and radiation poisoning and he also claims that he has PTSD even though he was never in a combat situation. I'm not sure how he pulled this off, but he did. :shrug: I bet he is an anomaly too.
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 03:03 PM
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11. Your are full of shit
:rofl:

dipshit...stick that cut and paste right off of the fox-news website post up your fucking ass.
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 03:49 PM
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23. They don't even TRY .
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 03:19 PM
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15. Ahem, Tricare gets the highest consumer satisfaction rating again.
NEW HOPE, Pa.--(Business Wire)--
Wilson Health Information, a leading healthcare consumer insight firm, names
TRICARE the highest rated Health Insurance Carrier in overall member
satisfaction for the sixth consecutive year in the 2008 WilsonRx Health
Insurance Satisfaction Survey. TRICARE also rates highest in most of the 28
insurance and 29 pharmacy benefit related topics covered in the survey.


The report contains member importance and satisfaction ratings on coverage,
quality, costs services and overall satisfaction on the largest health insurance
carriers including: Aetna, Blue Cross Blue Shield (BCBS) of Illinois, BCBS of
Michigan, BCBS of Minnesota, California Blue Shield, CareFirst BCBS, CIGNA,
Coventry, Empire BCBS of New York, Federal Employee BCBS, Health Care Services
Corporation (HCSC), Health Net, Horizon BCBS of New Jersey, Humana, Kaiser
Permanente, Medicaid, Medicare, Regence BC BS, TRICARE, UnitedHealthcare,
Veterans Administration, WellPoint, Inc.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUS211409+16-Jan-2009+BW20090116

Since you think the government can't run anything, what is your solution?

BTW, Social Security is NOT currently operating in the red.

Medicare is administered by the states, most of which are constitutionally not permitted to run budget deficits.


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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 03:26 PM
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18. Wilson Health Information must only deal with anamolies.
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 03:30 PM
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19. Well, holy moly
Is all I can say.;-)
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 03:40 PM
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22. For-profit insurance companies consider "death panels" just a part of doing business...
... and folks like you are not shocked at all until it's *your* kid who needs chemo and the insurance won't cover it any more. Do you seriously think they give a good god damn if you go bankrupt from using your credit cards for this? Do you seriously think a high school bake sale will cover the costs?

Government programs are NOT SUPPOSED TO SHOW A PROFIT. They are supposed to take care of whatever it was they were set up to do: deliver the mail, keep old people from having to eat cat food, whatever. When they are FUNDED LIKE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE, and when they have APPROPRIATE OVERSIGHT and ENOUGH EMPLOYEES, they GET THE JOB DONE.

Private corporations EXIST FIRST AND FOREMOST TO MAKE A PROFIT and getting the job done is a poor second, especially if it interferes with the bottom line.

Any day of the week I will take my chances with a government program that has citizen oversight. When Blue Cross turns you down when you need them most, you have no recourse, and if you think suing them is an option, may I remind you that the law is expensive and slow, and many many people have died waiting their turn to see a judge.

Hekate

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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 05:40 PM
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27. Then move the money needed for those programs from the Dept of Defense budget. They don't
need all that money anyway.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 05:41 PM
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28. Methinks
you're in the wrong crowd, what you think?
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 05:47 PM
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29. The only reason those programs are running at deficit are because
Republican administrations have gutted them in favor of wars, national defense and tax breaks for billionaires. Funny how after 8 years of Clinton, who I didn't even like, we had a budget surplus. Yet instead of using that money to help programs like Medicare and Social Security have a safe future Bush handed out "refund" checks, the equivalent of trying to buy a kids love with an XBox.



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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 08:10 PM
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32. At least try to spell it right dumb-fuck. "ANOMALY"
Not "anamoly".

Dam, no damm, no damn!
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 02:51 PM
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4. You earned it
I don't completely understand Tricare. Is it a government supplement to the VA?
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 02:53 PM
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6. it's the least we can do -- thank you for your service. nt
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 03:03 PM
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10. As MN Rep Tim Walz (DFL, er Dem) pointed out on MPR yesterday
Edited on Thu Aug-20-09 03:09 PM by Wickerman
Tri-Care has had some high profile anecdotal mistakes publicized. He went on to say that part of the reason is that Tri-Care make public report of all errors in the system. No other health care entity does that or would consider doing it. Tri-Care, because it does so has only been strengthened by review and correction. I'd like to see Aetna or BC/BS stand up to a similar spotlight.


http://minnesota.publicradio.org/radio/programs/midday/index.php?date=08-19-2009

edit, added link.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 03:03 PM
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12. BH: Funny thing - my wife is on Social Security Disability since 1999,
and she has never had any problems with it, except when the - then Republican- Congress created the stupid "dounut hole" drug systen that does not permit the government to negotiate with the drug makaers for the best price. It's almost like someone created it to be bad... but the rest of the systen works just fine, better than my employer paid private insurance when I was working.

Almost sounds backwards, don't it?


mark
former Sp4
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 03:12 PM
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14. I wouldn't expect
any system as large as a health care system for Americans to be flawless or without errors of some sort but our experience has been very good and relatively paper free. My Doctor, whom I've visited three times in eight years, does all the paperwork and takes exactly what Tricare pays him. I've never gotten a bill from him. Boy, that really sucks.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 08:04 PM
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31. Yeah, you have my sympathy...thanks to my wife's doctor - who we can see
because my wifes primary coverage is SSDI, my wife is alive and healthy 10 years after she was told she had only 5 more years to live - by a doctor we had when I was still working.

mark
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 03:04 PM
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13. .


Пожалуйста
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 03:20 PM
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16. My Dad, retired Military, had throat cancer six years ago
Edited on Thu Aug-20-09 03:20 PM by Burma Jones
Treatment was successful, cancer free for these past six years.....anyway, he has Tricare and here's HIS "horror story"

the total treatment came to a little over half a million dollars

he paid NOTHING, not a cent, not a dime for drugs, home visits, NOTHING

he filled out no paperwork, the hospital did it for him

he had home care when he needed it

he got massages in the hospital

he's had quarterly followup visits, no charge


He was the Commanding Officer of the Public Health Service Hospital in San Francisco before those slimy scumbags in the Reagan Administration shut the hospital down and paid Contractors over 50% more to run the "privatized" hospital.

I cannot describe the disgust I have for these ignorant trash losers railing against Health Care Reform.



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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 03:25 PM
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17. Cheers to you my friend
And a hearty wish for fair winds and following seas to my Shipmate, your Dad.

Tricare ain't perfect, no system is, but the knuckleheads take one bad story and pump it up with stupid steroids.

I've yet to get a bill or fill out any forms since I've been retired. Its just a horrible, horrible system.
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 03:36 PM
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21. I worked on consolidating its legacy computer systems way back in 1996
It is better run than a lot of private systems........
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 03:35 PM
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20. OK, 'fess up. How have you managed to evade Obama's Death Panels?
Edited on Thu Aug-20-09 03:36 PM by PA Democrat
I posted a link up-thread about Tricare's top ranking in member satisfaction. I'm happy to hear that it is working for our veterans.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 04:23 PM
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25. Thanks for the link
Tricare ain't perfect but I've found it incredibly user friendly. Not all doctors take it but that's okay. I'm trying to keep a low profile and I have the added scare that, "what I've heard" most of the death panels will be set up in red states and I live in one. I know I'm just a small sample but I know many military retirees who take themselves and their families to the service provider I do and I've yet to hear a complaint. No paper work, no bills, but I did have to wait about a half hour to see the doctor the last time. Oh the horrors!
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Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 04:05 PM
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24. You deserve
every bit of it. :patriot:

The VA, for the most part, has taken pretty good care of this country's Vets, their families, dependents etc. And they really keep those benefits rolling out to the dependents long after the vet is gone.
As a matter of fact, according to the VA website, almost 200 children and widows of Spanish American War vets are still getting benefits. And here is the real eye popper (at least I think so) there are still 2 children of Civil War veterans receiving VA benefits. You heard me right, as of Jan 2009, 2 children of civil war vets are still getting a "check in the mail" so to speak, from the VA. Now that is real commitment.

I would never dream of taking away such a great(most of the time) system away from vets like yourself. I just wish the govt would afford something similar to the rest of the populous.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 05:38 PM
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26. As a Vietnam vet I thank the tax payers also
for the best healthcare this ole vet could ask for. I never used the service until I was 54 years old so I haven't cost 'em too much just yet. Thanks guys and gals
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 06:20 PM
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30. Us disabled Minnesotans get out healthcare paid for by the state.
The only bullshit I have to put up with is from right-wing doctors and dentists that refuse to accept people on MN Medical Assistance because they claim cannot make enough fucking profit off of us.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 11:06 AM
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34. You're welcome. I wish I had it too.
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