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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 07:08 PM
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The Importance Of Tom Ridge's Confession On The Use of Terror Alerts for Political Reasons
Edited on Thu Aug-20-09 07:15 PM by berni_mccoy
There is something very important in former Secretary Ridge's confession on the abuse of Terror Alerts for political gain. That very important something is that nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing the Bush Administration told the American people about their war on terror, the terrorists themselves and all of the war that followed, can be taken seriously. There is no truth to anything the Bush Administration told America about Al Qaeda, The Taliban, 9/11, Iraq, or any of it. Absolutely no truth from them.

Of course, we here at DU all knew this, as the Downing Street Memos were the smoking gun for many of us here. I still remember the day I read them and knew that the Bush Administration was lying to all of the world. But here, we have an admission of an Administration official that they committed war crimes for political gain. It is that simple. The entire Bush Administration needs to be brought up on war crimes and terror charges.

What the Bush Administration actually did, by using the war on terror for political reasons is in and of itself, terrorism. Yes, it is. And they should pay for their crimes. As far as I know the new laws on terror, there is no statute of limitations for terrorism.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 07:12 PM
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1. why did Ridge admit this?
seems like a crime to me.. at least a political badness..
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 07:13 PM
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2. He resigned shortly after the election. I'm guessing this was why he resigned.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 07:14 PM
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5. the wording of the OP is a little misleading

Ridge says that he did not agree to it that it was an effort by others in the administration.


After the election he decided to leave the administration.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 07:17 PM
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10. Sorry, it's not intended that Ridge is confessing to what *he* did, but what the Administration did
Edited on Thu Aug-20-09 07:18 PM by berni_mccoy
And whether they did it or not, the very intent to do it is enough to be a crime of terror according to terror laws. They don't have to succeed in doing it.

It's not like Ridge is a whistleblower... at least I can't seem him being one. He should have spoke out when it happened. Instead he chose to be complicit.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 07:16 PM
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9. To sell books, for one...... to cover his own ass, for two
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 07:35 PM
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14. thanks
I didn't know he wrote a book. now i know..
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 09:27 PM
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17. i didn't know he could wriite :-x nt
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 07:13 PM
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3. It also appears to be a factor in his leaving the administration

One of the problems with Bush taking everything from the neocon Cheney cabal is that others like Powell and Ridge simply gave up and left.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 07:14 PM
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4. Yep. My thoughts exactly. They were used and didn't like it.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 07:15 PM
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7. Yes in that sense Ridge didn't confess (he didn't agree to doing it) but
rather revealed what others attempted to do.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 07:14 PM
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6. the k and the r
eom
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 07:15 PM
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8. I smelt it in real time...
Edited on Thu Aug-20-09 07:17 PM by Hubert Flottz
Most of the folks here did!

How many times have I posted this on DU over the years?

Terrorism, –noun

1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorism


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Terrorist, Noun-

1. a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism.
2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others.
3. (formerly) a member of a political group in Russia aiming at the demoralization of the government by terror.
4. an agent or partisan of the revolutionary tribunal during the Reign of Terror in France.

–adjective 5. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of terrorism or terrorists: terrorist tactics.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorist

EDIT...Keith Olbermann is talking about the neocon terrorists right now.


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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 07:18 PM
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11. Wonder how many 'pukes will come forth and condemn this for what it is?
:P
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 07:25 PM
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12. Who will prosecute, and how?
My outrage is so stale, it's not useful for anything. I had a discussion with my dad tonight about the night I called them when there was a red alert in the county where the recount was happening in Ohio. My dad and I both agreed that we finally have to preserve our selves, and just stop being outraged. I mention this because we have enough Americans watching fake newscasts, and or not caring.

Is justice driven by the people? I never thought it was. But for the bigger crimes, it seems that it has to start somewhere other than the written law.

I am frustrated. I don't know what it will take for justice. But I do know that justice is not for the rich. Maddoff's are an exception.

As John Dean is saying on Olbermann's show at this very moment, statute of limitations have passed. This is defrauding of the government. And crimes have been gotten away with.

It looks like nothing will ever happen to these criminals. Even more infuriating.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 07:33 PM
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13. Under the "Patriot Act"...
If Bush, Rove, Rummy and Ashcroft were pratcing domestic terrorism to generate fear for political reasons while the country is at war...the President could round them all up and put them in jail without a trial...FOREVER!
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 09:36 PM
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19. No Shit....PLUS 1......Un American, UnPatriotic, and UnLawful 3 Strikes
Banishment from our shores...we will pay a handsome price to some willing Nation to house/imprison these toads for 30 years.

They should never see America again...the BETRAYAL LEVEL is THAT HIGH....never to eat bacon eggs hash browns, with coffee.

No steaks and chops, No Hooters, No Prime ribs, No Luaus, No Surfing, No Internet, No books, No Movies/TV, Nothing but volleyball, and jogging with local food.

and no radios either.

Ever.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 09:51 PM
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20. All the other repubs in Washington were palling around with
these domestic terra-ists too.(Rove, Bush, Rumbo, Asscraft, Cheney, McKKKain, LIEberman and Ridge, the neocon Terra Cell)

Poor old Deputy Beauty Queen Barbie of the great white north will never be able to get this new wad out of her royal unterdrawers in one lifetime...maybe that's why she needed to be "Born Again"?

And now Vitter the shitter is back in the news! Condemned by his own whore monger pal in the senate.

I want a refund for all this fuc*ing duct tape!



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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 10:08 PM
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21. Another thing I want a refund for is this self defense video I
Edited on Thu Aug-20-09 10:18 PM by Hubert Flottz
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 05:24 AM
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25. LOL...HILL BILLY KUNG FU was the best....they even blurred some of the fight
and the boy friend gets his ass kicked in...prolly staged to look like that for high YOUTUBE Hit oount

but...its funnier n hell....thanks guy
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 07:39 PM
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15. Kicking ....is not attempting to install fear for personal gain not terrorism?
of course it is, we can not forget that the actions of the last administration have shown proof that in fact their actions were traitorous to this country, they have raped, and pillaged our countryman and have lied under oath, the very oath taken before taking office, all crimes last I checked...
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robdogbucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 07:39 PM
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16. Other reasons for the importance of the confession...
"I still remember the day I read them and knew that the Bush Administration was lying to all of the world."

It points out the total lack of scrutiny from the alleged free press and alleged loyal opposition within the alleged 2-party system. No one stood up and said that is just a lie. Or, "we have looked for evidence of that, but at every turn we were stymied by government secrecy based on security," etc.

The media and the other responsible government office holders are complicit in the crimes. The precedents, the lack of action with so many crimes unaddressed in any way whatsoever, the culture that infiltrated every aspect of government, pursuit of one-party rule in perpetuity, etc. These are just stupifying in their scope and blatancy, yet went unchallenged for the most part. I guess if you own all the noise, all the guns and all the money you can do whatever.



Just my dos centavos,

robdogbucky
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 10:36 PM
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22. No, they all stood up and said there's too much money to be made, they couldn't pass it up.
The few who did speak up were silenced pretty early on. It was you are either with us or your with the terrorists.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 09:33 PM
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18. I think Ridge (who actually was a reasonable guy prior to being co-opted by
Edited on Thu Aug-20-09 09:37 PM by tigereye
Bush) must have felt terrible about the misinformation, fear and chaos those alerts caused. So much hysteria and what a terrible way to supposedly make people "feel safer." Sickening. Another way to defang moderate Republicans and sully them, so that they were no threat.


It's awful how supposedly sane and decent people become complicit.

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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 05:04 AM
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23. "decent Republican" is an OxyMoran...
Kind of like Rush is the Mother Of All OxyMorans!
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 05:32 AM
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26. Fuck the woodshed...in my days, we locked um up and had the towns peeps shoot pig shit
on his head....60MM sized PS STUN GUN SEMI AUTO 30 round clip(Gas mask req during use)

I wish we could get Vitter the Shitter in the stockade
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 05:39 AM
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27. Much 60MM pig poop and hours of Mark Sanford Karaoke
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/27/mark-sanford-karaoke-vide_n_221846.html

Warning ***** I had to take a cold shower after I watched those Sanford & Sin videos just one time!
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 08:20 AM
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29. well, no, I have met a few decent Reps...
Edited on Sat Aug-22-09 08:25 AM by tigereye
I'll take the votes of the Moderate (socially liberal) Reps, most days.



I don't really get why they are Reps, though...
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laststeamtrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 05:22 AM
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24. K & R - n/t.
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 07:19 AM
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28. K&R
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 08:30 AM
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30. suggesting that bush manipulated terror for political gains is accepted by all, BUT
to take the next logical step to suggest that there was bush involvement in 9/11 (please dont send me to the dungeon) is somehow nuts?

Baby steps.

I'm afraid that nothing will happen to any of them and this will be the great crime committed against the world for this generation. Generations later will study and wonder how we sat by and allowed this to happen. They will laugh at us for plastic sheeting and duct tape the same way we laugh at films suggesting that students in the 50's could avoid nuclear fallout by "ducking and covering".

We had front row seats to the greatest crime committed of, to, for, and buy this country.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 08:35 AM
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31. 100% correct
Wait 'til the sheeple find out.
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