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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 08:23 PM
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I saw the entire town-hall Barney Frank did Tuesday
on C-span today. He was great at handing those assholes I especially liked it when the women calls Obama a Nazi and he asked her what planet she spends most of her time on. Of course the MSN left her Nazi comment out to try and make Barney look like an ass. He may be gay but most of the other Congressmen are girly men compared to Barney. It's great to see a Democrat with a spine for a change.
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canoeist52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 08:26 PM
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1. I'm watching it now. I'm impressed too.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 08:30 PM
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4. Towards the end look at that asshole that keeps holding
up the Obama with the Hitler mustache. These people are f-----g nuts, they call Obama a socialist then compare him to Hitler the very opposite on the political spectrum, morons.
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 09:59 PM
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28. Apparently all those PoliSci classes...
we took were wrong when they talked about the political spectrum. The Fact (and education) deprived Repubs just continue to make shit up.
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ipfilter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 09:13 AM
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38. I don't know what you call it
when these morans call Obama Hitler and a socialist at the same time. Is it doublethink? Cognitive Dissonance? Or just ignorance? It scares me to think someone who is so vocal can be so off on the fundamental premise of their own argument and then receive so much air time in the MSM with not so much as a mention of the fact that they are totally wrong.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 01:03 PM
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40. To be technical, the NAZI party was the National Socialist party but I doubt if the
crazies know that. For those that do, you can point out that the Nazi's idea of socialism ain't what they got in Canada and Western Europe. It helps to research the issue but I doubt if you'd get that far with anybody in that crowd...
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 08:29 PM
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2. no we must be polite and bipartisan dont you know? that's the new dems way lol nt
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steven johnson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 08:29 PM
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3. Barney Frank IMHO is a brilliant legislator
Edited on Thu Aug-20-09 08:33 PM by steven johnson
Not just my opinion.


"Barney Frank is a masterful legislator and one of the great political minds of our generation. His style - principled but pragmatic, tenacious yet fair, and always brilliant and funny - has won him the respect of his colleagues on both sides of the aisle. Stuart Weisberg's lively biography of Barney Frank documents all of these extraordinary qualities, and the many ways in which he enriches our democracy." - Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives

"Barney Frank is one of the most brilliant, effective - and funny - lawmakers of his generation. Not many Congressmen are worthy of a book, but Stuart Weisberg's carefully researched and authoritative account proves that Barney's life and career are indeed the stuff of fine biography." - Cokie Roberts, ABC News political commentator, and Steven V. Roberts, Shapiro Professor of Media and Public Affairs, George Washington University"

Amazon Review: 'Barney Frank: The Story of America's Only Left-handed, Gay, Jewish Congressman' (Hardcover)

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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 08:30 PM
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5. Did you put a lot of thought into the "gay/girly men" comment? (n/t)
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 08:36 PM
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7. Oh, yeah. That was way beyond unnecessary.
What is wrong with people?
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 08:37 PM
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8. Oh for Christ sake do I have to explain. Some people
like the right wingers would call him a girly man because he is gay. In my opinion they are the girly men he has more balls than any of them. It wasn't meant as any kind of anti gay comment I'm sorry if you somehow found that offencive.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 08:38 PM
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10. You are right- and I'll bet Frank himself would not have been offended. n/t
n/t
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 08:57 PM
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16. Your post would have had more of an impact if...
Edited on Thu Aug-20-09 08:58 PM by WorseBeforeBetter
references to orientation and Ahnuuuuuld were not made. It takes a lot more than that to offend me, but thanks for the apology.
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Caliman73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 01:23 PM
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42. Problem is that like the right wingers, you are using feminine attributes as an insult.
The reason that the comment is offensive to some is that you linked being gay to being female or feminine, AND you linked being female or feminine to being weak or cowardly. It isn't necessarily an anti-gay sentiment, but it can definitely be looked at as sexist.

Right wingers see it as an insult because many believe the stereotype that all homosexuals are effeminate and that feminine qualities, are less valuable than male qualities. That insult only works if you believe that females are emotional and weak. Furthermore the use of "balls" as a sign of courage and strength is also sexist. Think about it this way, are you saying that people need testicles to be courageous? That leaves out over 50% of the population. I am being somewhat facetious here, but seriously, words carry implications and we have to be aware of what hidden messages they are communicating.

What the right wing is displaying here is a complete lack of ethics and character. They are cowards, but not because of gender or orientation. They are cowards because they lack the character and conviction to stand up to corporate greed and do what is best for people who are less powerful than large business entities.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 08:38 PM
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9. The imagery makes a good point- Barney is the tough guy here, the "Blue Dogs" are the chumps.
Edited on Thu Aug-20-09 08:40 PM by Dr Fate
Where are the big bad, masculine, conservative Blue Dog tough guys when it comes to sticking up to these jerks?

I'll take Frank any day.

Oh no- he said girly man! LOL! I have couch if anyone wants to faint on it.
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 08:55 PM
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14. I stand by my post...now pass the smelling salts. (n/t)
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 09:21 PM
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22. And I stand by mine. n/t
n/t
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 09:43 PM
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26. The beauty of message boards. (n/t)
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 08:35 PM
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6. I'm watching it now. I'm afraid it's becoming one of those "Yes, Puppy. We'll take a walk when
this is over" moments. Poor puppy.

Still, this is worth watching.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 08:43 PM
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11. Right on Doc- Frank was a bad-ass cowboy up there.
Rahm & the the Blue Dogs are ballet dancers.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 08:50 PM
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12. What is that supposed to mean exactly?
Stereotype much?
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 08:54 PM
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13. The imagery is getting pretty vivid...
gay men, girly men, cowboys and ballet dancers. Waiting for the Indian chief to make an appearance...
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 09:25 PM
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23. Barney is indeed on warpath, that's for sure.
They came into his wigwam and he showed them the business end of his Tom tom!!!

Look- all I'm saying is that the OP was not being homophobic for implying that Frank is a badder dude than conservatives...
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 09:42 PM
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25. Hell, Frank is a "badder dude" than most Dems...
regardless of how they swing. I applaud him for *nailing* that wacko, and wish Obama would speak up more forcefully. I'm not sure the "belt and suspenders" analogy is going to do it.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 09:06 AM
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35. AGREED! n/t
n/t
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 10:08 PM
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30. I'm waiting for Jewish jokes myself.
:wtf:
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 09:07 AM
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36. Then you will have to make them yourself.
As it is, no one is making fun of Frank, but praising him.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 09:20 PM
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21. A more accurate question would be: "Archetype much?" Why yes, I do.
Edited on Thu Aug-20-09 09:28 PM by Dr Fate
Frank is a bad-ass- that is clear.

No couch-fainting or backing down- the man is acting like a western hero, not a timid dancer.

Who do you want on your side in a fight- a gay cowboy or a straight but weak ballet dancer?
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 10:07 PM
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29. Umm... right...
The issue was with stereotyping people based on preconceived notions. FYI, try finding a "weak" ballet dancer. Or better yet, get into a pair of tights and try to stand on your toes for hours on end.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 09:06 AM
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34. And yet any person from almost any culture would understand and know what I meant.
I dont need DEMS to "stand on their toes for hours on end" while wearing a pink-tutu.

I need them to act like Frank.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 01:00 PM
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39. You could say that you want them to be strong like Barney Frank without the gender bashing...
See pink tutu wearing... etc... draws conclusions of weakness towards those who wear pink tutus, who I assure you are in no generalized weak state regardless of stereotypes.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 01:58 PM
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43. Or, I could make my point in a less boring way that has more impact.
But thanx for the advice.

LOL! Frankly, I could care less if I offend folks who wear pink-tu-tus. If they have a problem with that, I'll just get my gay cow-boy friends to kick their butts.

;)
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 05:14 PM
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44. Excuse me if I don't take you even remotely seriously from here on out.
:hi:
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 01:06 PM
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41. Yep, go Barney! I'm loving this so much.
I've started using his "arguing with you is like arguing with my dining room table" remark. Makes them look like what they are, dense as a piece of wood...
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 08:56 PM
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15. "Girly men". Now that shows a LOT of "progressive" awareness, doesn't it?
Please tell us....what do you have against women?

Or is it that Ahnold is your hero?
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 09:12 PM
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19. Well I do miss Arnold's movies, did you ever
think I may be gay myself.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 09:14 PM
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20. Whatever you are, sensitive isn't part of it.
And, obviously, you're either quite proud of being insensitive and unaware, or you're here to stir up trouble.

Which is it?
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 09:26 PM
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24. ?
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 10:11 PM
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32. K&R!
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 09:07 PM
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17. Now there's a LaRouchie speaking.
My God, health care reform has brought the crazies out of the woodwork!
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 09:10 PM
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18. I watched it too. Man was he under fire. I loved it when the one guy said he had secrets...
and his reply was that he hadn't had a secret in 21 years...too funny. Really set them straight. The fact is, most of these people protesting in place of attending these meetings are just plain dumb.
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crazy_vanilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 09:58 PM
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27. finally someone with the caj*nes to say it like it is
No more Mr. Nice guy
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 10:09 PM
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31. He "MAY" be gay... give me a fucking break. Being gay has ZERO to do with anything he did!
Edited on Thu Aug-20-09 10:10 PM by Fearless
This is disgusting especially on DU!
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 09:12 AM
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37. Actually on ABC NEWS they did show the complete exchange with her calling Obama a Nazi
and so did other news organizations. Maybe not Fox?
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