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abelenkpe2 Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 01:24 PM
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Help Debunkin Citizen's Line Item Veto of Health Reform
Hello Smart People:

I know this has been around and already debunked but I really need help pointing some rational not crazy conservative-ish people to articles debunking this particular piece of misinformation. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

This is what needs to be debunked:

Readers share the "Citizens' Line-Item Veto" on "Health-Scare Reform" bill!
http://www.examiner.com/x-13822-Chesterfield-County-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m8d6-Readers-share-the-Citizens-LineItem-Veto-on-HealthScare-Reform-bill

Proposed Health Care Reform – “Line Item Veto”

Page 22 - HEALTH CARE 3200 Bill - MANDATES the government will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self-insure!

Page 30 - Sec 123 - HEALTH CARE 3200 Bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get!

Page 29 - Lines 4-16 in the HEALTH CARE 3200 Bill – YOUR Health Care is RATIONED!!!

Page 42 - HEALTH CARE 3200 Bill - The “Health Choices Commissioner” will choose YOUR Health Care Benefits for you. You have no choice!

PAGE 50 - Section 152 - HEALTH CARE 3200 Bill – Health Care will be provided to ALL non-US citizens, illegal or otherwise!

Page 58 - HEALTH CARE 3200 Bill - Government will have real-time access to individuals’ finances & a National ID Health Card will be issued!

Page 59 – Lines 21-24 - HEALTH CARE 3200 Bill – The government will have direct access to your bank accounts for electronic funds transfer!

PAGE 65 - Sec 164 - A payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions &
“Community Organizations.” (ACORN?)

Page 72 - Lines 8-14 – The government is c1reating a Health Care Exchange to bring private health care plans under government control

PAGE 84 - Sec 203 - HEALTH CARE 3200 Bill - Government mandates ALL benefit packages for private plans in the Health Care Exchange!

PAGE 85 - Line 7 - HEALTH CARE 3200 Bill - Specifications for Benefit Levels for Plans - The government will ration your Health Care!

(more of this nonsense at link)

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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 01:28 PM
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1. Done
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abelenkpe2 Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 01:40 PM
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2. Thank you!
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 01:50 PM
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3. I would still like to see a "Line by Line" debunking
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abelenkpe2 Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 02:00 PM
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4. I do remember
someone posting a link to a site that went through this line by line somewhere. Anyone remember that post?
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 02:19 PM
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5. Here is the "Death Panel" myth debunked
At issue is a 10-page section of a 1,000-page House health care reform bill on "advanced care planning consultations." These consultations would reimburse a doctor for talking with a patient once every five years about what kind of care they want near the end of life.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellness/story?id=8295708&page=1

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abelenkpe2 Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 02:36 PM
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6. I found this one
E-mail 'analysis' of health bill needs a check-up

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/jul/30/e-mail-analysis-health-bill-needs-check-/

t may be the longest chain e-mail we've ever received. A page-by-page analysis of the House health care bill argues that reform will end the health care system as we know it: "Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed! ... Page 42: The 'Health Choices Commissioner' will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. ... Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free health care services."

Most of what the e-mail says is wrong. In fact, it's a clearinghouse of bad information circulating around the Web about proposed health care changes, so we thought it would be helpful to address a bunch of its claims.

To check this e-mail, we read the health care bill ourselves. Yes, it's over 1,000 pages long, but that's not as long as you might think: The document has large margins, so the text only takes up about one third of each page.

(much more at link)

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Anymore out there would be appreciated!
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 03:52 PM
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7. The "Pants of Fire" rateings were interesting
Edited on Fri Aug-21-09 03:52 PM by FreakinDJ

Sarah Palin


Seniors and the disabled "will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care."


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/aug/10/sarah-palin/sarah-palin-barack-obama-death-panel/


Liberty Counsel

Page 992 of the health care bill will "establish school-based 'health' clinics. Your children will be indoctrinated and your grandchildren may be aborted!"


Nothing like that in the bill
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/aug/07/liberty-counsel/school-health-clinics-would-not-provide-abortions/


Chain e-mail

"All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free health care services."


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/30/chain-email/no-free-health-care-illegal-immigrants-health-bill/


Chain e-mail

In the health care bill, "The 'Health Choices Commissioner' will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None."


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/30/chain-email/health-choices-commissioner-does-not-decide-your-h/


Glenn Beck

John Holdren, director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, "has proposed forcing abortions and putting sterilants in the drinking water to control population."


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/29/glenn-beck/glenn-beck-claims-science-czar-john-holdren-propos/


Betsy McCaughey

The health care reform bill "would make it mandatory — absolutely require — that every five years people in Medicare have a required counseling session that will tell them how to end their life sooner."


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/23/betsy-mccaughey/mccaughey-claims-end-life-counseling-will-be-requi/
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