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ejbr

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Fri Aug-21-09 03:43 PM
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victims of Pan Am 103

received more justice than the innocent Iraqis that Bush, Cheney & company killed, maimed and tortured. I am not surprised that Libyans are dancing in the street. Just sayin'

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DrDan

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Fri Aug-21-09 03:47 PM
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1. I agree - and it is totally disengenuous of us to criticize Scotland when

we refuse to even investigate the criminal activities of those cretins

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Walk away

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Fri Aug-21-09 03:58 PM
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2. Yes, but it sucks to see your loved one's murderer get a heros welcome...

no matter who you are. Viet Nam. El Salvador. Cambodia and the other fifty or so murderous fiascoes we have been involved with around the world never seem to count with most Americans. How many women and children did John McCain drop bombs or Napalm on before he finally and thankfully crashed his plane. Nobody even mentions it. People don't care about the "other".

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lsewpershad

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Fri Aug-21-09 04:13 PM
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4. So right

and that is why we are so hated in so many places in the world. Our arrogance makes us believe that "the other" is less human that we are ......but the law of karma does not pay defference to America.

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Bluerthanblue

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Fri Aug-21-09 04:19 PM
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5. i care about the 'other'- and so do many people. our voices may

not be very loud, or be listened to, but we keep speaking anyway.

I didn't see any hero's welcome for this man, and I HAVE looked for it-
It is the people who are unhappy with Scotland's decision who are banging the "hero" meme.

And as much as it disappoints me, even Pres. Obama has played up this concept.

He's wrong.

:shrug:

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Walk away

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Fri Aug-21-09 04:39 PM
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6. I just watched a clip of him coming off the plane with hundreds of ...

cheering, flag waving libyans surrounding him and the plane he came in on. I guess your idea of a "hero's welcome" is different from mine. I am not saying he shouldn't have been sent home. But I think that if you saw the film of him arriving in Libya and didn't think it was a big insult to a lot of greiving people then you are pretty cold.

Just because you thing "W" should go to jail (and I agree with you) doesn't mean that what happened today was a good thing.

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EFerrari

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Fri Aug-21-09 04:48 PM
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10. All that assumes, as his countrymen do not, that he was guilty.

In fact, part of the deal of his release was that his people would drop the ongoing appeal.

There is very little to indicate he did anything at all as far as I can tell.

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Bluerthanblue

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Fri Aug-21-09 04:53 PM
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11. thanks for saying that

so clearly-

it makes a world of difference.

:grouphug:

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Bluerthanblue

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Fri Aug-21-09 05:00 PM
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14. if watching a clip is how you base your opinions and beliefs-

be very, VERY careful about what you watch- and be prepared to regret much of what you do and think throughout your life.

Your reply represents a public relations persons concept of Nirvana

:shrug:

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Walk away

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Fri Aug-21-09 06:07 PM
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15. Hey I was just pointing out that you where wrong about his welcome.

I just watched another clip where they threw confetti for him. You were the one YELLING about how you saw no evidence that he was welcomed as a hero and you HAD looked. Apparently not on Youtube, CNN, MSNBS, NBC or CBS.

If you don't think the friends and relitives who believe this man murdered their loved ones were devastated bu this then your level of empathy is very low. I do not begrudge this man returning to his family. I feel very sorry for them all. I just think if your child had died on that flight I would feel terrible for you. I have no idea what you would be feeling.

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Bluerthanblue

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Fri Aug-21-09 09:54 PM
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18. you just watched youtube, cnn, msnbc and cbs- all american sources-

And you think this is a reliable sampling of the TRUTH? Of independent news sources?

Good luck to you-

You are completely correct about one thing. You have no idea of what i feel, or think- which i'm quite glad to realize and acknowledge.

your preaching to me about empathy is profound.

may you never have to understand how far off you are in your estimation.

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stray cat

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Fri Aug-21-09 04:11 PM
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3. Since some murderers go free - its ok if yours gets only a night in jail

you and your family would get more justice then some

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gratuitous

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Fri Aug-21-09 04:43 PM
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7. We can also say . . .

That this is an example of Western justice that we would like to see the rest of the world emulate. Mercy and compassion extended to an unrepetant mass murderer. Think about that next time we hear about some woman being stoned to death before a frenzied mob for a real or imagined offense against the local deity. There are indeed morally superior choices to be made. But you can't expect them to materialize ex nihilo.

And this is one of the good ones.

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seabeyond

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Fri Aug-21-09 04:44 PM
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8. i teach my CHILDREN when discussing a wrong, dont need to bring in another wrong

to justify first wrong

and this

I am not surprised that Libyans are dancing in the street. Just sayin'

just shameful

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ejbr

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Fri Aug-21-09 04:58 PM
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13. No

Edited on Fri Aug-21-09 04:59 PM by ejbr

what's shameful is your apparent diregard for muslim lives by dismissing the wrong that we are committing now. If you can shrug off that injustice, I can shrug off the Scottish "injustice." just sayin.

on edit: your children need a better role model.

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seabeyond

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Fri Aug-21-09 06:31 PM
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16. but i didnt shrug off muslim deaths. i called it a wrong. where would that indicate that i

Edited on Fri Aug-21-09 06:49 PM by seabeyond

shrugged off or disregarded their death in any kind of manner what so ever. even a little. the post you made was a blatant lie, to what i said. then you lecture me.... right.

what a totally bogues and twisted reply

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ejbr

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Fri Aug-21-09 08:22 PM
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17. to insist that it is okay for western cultures to be

upset about the pan am prisoner being released while our cultures shrug off the bush/cheney genocide is intellectually dishonest. Deal with it and get your kids a better person to look up to. K?

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seabeyond

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Fri Aug-21-09 09:59 PM
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19. again, one has nothing to do with the other. you argument fails. nt

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ejbr

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Sat Aug-22-09 03:14 PM
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20. No, your ignorance fails. n/t

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seabeyond

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Sat Aug-22-09 09:28 PM
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21. scottish dude that was kind enought o let the guy go is MIFFED at the reception he received.

Edited on Sat Aug-22-09 09:28 PM by seabeyond

causing quite an international mess of the generosity fo the scottish... dontcha know. ooking like you and the lybians are about the only that dont see the reception as offensive

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AuntPatsy

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Fri Aug-21-09 04:45 PM
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9. and of course no rec...this should have...calls out our hypocrisy in this country

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FarCenter

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Fri Aug-21-09 04:53 PM
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12. Somewhat over 1/3 of United States murders do not result in an arrest

Around 1/2 are never closed with a conviction.

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