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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 10:00 PM
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Politico: The argument that healthcare is a moral responsibility was discredited in the 90s!
Once again with the brilliance, Politico reports:

Via the Daily Dish:



Politico Writes:

And this week, returned to an argument Democratic strategists said shouldn't be part of the pitch this year -- trying to convince Americans they have a “moral obligation” to help people without insurance, a discredited argument from the reform effort under President Bill Clinton.



I would be quite curious to hear how the "moral" argument for health-care reform has been discredited. Actually, I would be curious to hear how one would go about discrediting such a moral argument at all. The existence of death panels, on the other hand, can be easily discredited by making reference to the bill in question. But perhaps Politico has special access when it comes to issues of morality. (H/T David Roberts of Grist.)



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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 10:06 PM
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1. The Translation, Ma'am, From Politico-Ese To English, Would Seem To Be
Edited on Fri Aug-21-09 10:06 PM by The Magistrate
An argument that was ridiculed by Republicans and other well-fed persons, and generally incapable of moving selfish people to act in a humane and altruistic manner....
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dschis Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 10:17 PM
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2. Ok all we have to do is wait 5 years
You think the housing crises started something. Probably not even that, but then nobody in this country doesn't think about anything but their toys and money. Let the insurances keep raising rates and boosting the the out of pocket expenses. Folks that have any sense and the means will save for that contingency and not spend. Folks that don't have the means will go bankrupt and not spend. There goes your recovery. I for one have don't trust any company that advertises on TV much less the net. I research throughly the claims made and find most are bogus it or you can do the same thing with things that you have around the house. I really think that will become the norm especially in light of what's happening.

You're absolutely right about the morals in this country. I'm a Christian, but not one of those 'professed Christians', they are the modern day Pharisee
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Metta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 10:18 PM
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3. Right, that negates the examples set 2K years ago by, uh, what was his name?
Happy karma, lapdogs.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 10:18 PM
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4. Moral obligation or not, it's in our self interest to ensure that our neighbors are all healthy
Denying swine flu shots to those who can't afford them? Smart move? After all we have no "moral authority" to help these people who were to lazy to have the means to pay for their own flu shots.

Of course we won't be able to leave our McMansions and go anywhere because people all around us will be coughing their lungs out and spreading germs that will infect even our well insured bodies.

You can't appeal to fat smug satisfied people on the basis of moral authority. Selfishness, that's what they'll understand.

If everybody doesn't have health care, it affects YOU, Republic.com.

Douchebaggage to the max.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 12:01 AM
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5. Translated--The GOP do not want any moral argument.
This is a Conservative Nation. "No one is owed anything" as
Tim Russert use to say.

The Moral Argument for Health Care tics off the Right. Politico
is trying nicely to warn us.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 12:25 AM
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6. ...
``At this festive season of the year, Mr Scrooge,'' said the gentleman, taking up a pen, ``it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the Poor and destitute, who suffer greatly at the present time. Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir.''

``Are there no prisons?'' asked Scrooge.

``Plenty of prisons,'' said the gentleman, laying down the pen again.

``And the Union workhouses?'' demanded Scrooge. ``Are they still in operation?''

``They are. Still,'' returned the gentleman, `` I wish I could say they were not.''

``The Treadmill and the Poor Law are in full vigour, then?'' said Scrooge.

``Both very busy, sir.''

``Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course,'' said Scrooge. ``I'm very glad to hear it.''

``Under the impression that they scarcely furnish Christian cheer of mind or body to the multitude,'' returned the gentleman, ``a few of us are endeavouring to raise a fund to buy the Poor some meat and drink, and means of warmth. We choose this time, because it is a time, of all others, when Want is keenly felt, and Abundance rejoices. What shall I put you down for?''

``Nothing!'' Scrooge replied.

``You wish to be anonymous?''

``I wish to be left alone,'' said Scrooge. ``Since you ask me what I wish, gentlemen, that is my answer. I don't make merry myself at Christmas and I can't afford to make idle people merry. I help to support the establishments I have mentioned: they cost enough: and those who are badly off must go there.''

``Many can't go there; and many would rather die.''

``If they would rather die,'' said Scrooge, ``they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population. Besides -- excuse me -- I don't know that.''

``But you might know it,'' observed the gentleman.

``It's not my business,'' Scrooge returned. ``It's enough for a man to understand his own business, and not to interfere with other people's. Mine occupies me constantly. Good afternoon, gentlemen!''
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 01:07 AM
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7. Perfect!!!
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 01:22 AM
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8. I was thinking of "The Masque of the Red Death" by Edgar Allan Poe
The "Red Death" had long devastated the country. No pestilence had ever been so fatal, or so hideous. Blood was its Avatar and its seal--the redness and the horror of blood. There were sharp pains, and sudden dizziness, and then profuse bleeding at the pores, with dissolution. The scarlet stains upon the body and especially upon the face of the victim, were the pest ban which shut him out from the aid and from the sympathy of his fellow-men. And the whole seizure, progress and termination of the disease, were the incidents of half an hour.

But the Prince Prospero was happy and dauntless and sagacious. When his dominions were half depopulated, he summoned to his presence a thousand hale and light-hearted friends from among the knights and dames of his court, and with these retired to the deep seclusion of one of his castellated abbeys. This was an extensive and magnificent structure, the creation of the prince's own eccentric yet august taste. A strong and lofty wall girdled it in. This wall had gates of iron. The courtiers, having entered, brought furnaces and massy hammers and welded the bolts. They resolved to leave means neither of ingress nor egress to the sudden impulses of despair or of frenzy from within. The abbey was amply provisioned. With such precautions the courtiers might bid defiance to contagion. The external world could take care of itself. In the meantime it was folly to grieve, or to think. The prince had provided all the appliances of pleasure. There were buffoons, there were improvisatori, there were ballet-dancers, there were musicians, there was Beauty, there was wine. All these and security were within. Without was the "Red Death".

More: http://www.pagebypagebooks.com/Edgar_Allan_Poe/The_Masque_of_the_Red_Death/The_Masque_of_the_Red_Death_p1.html
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