I told my Mom and Husband, today, "I hope the 47 plus million of us get the public,...

,...medical care option. But, I doubt it will happen. We're just not that important."

Not that us middle-of-the-road Americans ever were that important to anyone other than the people we immediately touch. We usually focus on surviving our enormously challenging little lives, handling one small crisis to the next because, none of us are particularly economically advantaged,....never could be, frankly,...and, had opportunity presented itself we may have passed it by because of the moral choices required to sustain THAT form of wealth. What's wrong with that?

It is a shame, however, that wealth is idealized over the health of both this nation and its people. It's a damn shame.

And with it, there will be far more than that remaining uninsured, according to the CBO.

It will be firewalled, and not an option for most Americans

has been determined yet. :wtf:

(reference to the Daily Show) :P

:rofl:

I'm listening to Tarrantino on Charlie Rose, and he would be someone to chat with. I wish! Hysterical!

:rofl:

than one. Google provides most if not all.

Better link here:

http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=10464&zzz=39262

I can copy from the pertinent pdfs but it loses all formatting when pasted here.

links provided by two people and crickets, been there before... which is why I was in no hurry to find the link originally.

Erm. Yeah. Sure.

But yes. The final bill is not written yet. The strongest options need to be completely watered down in spineless negotiation first.

Please. And for good measure, ugh.

http://edlabor.house.gov/newsroom/2009/07/cbo-affirms-hr-3200-provides-t.shtml



Current estimates of uninsured numbers are between 45 and 50 million so the CBO estimates that at least 15 million would still be uninsured.

The private insurers have nothing to fear from this bill as most of us will be "mandated" to continue to contribute to their profits for years to come.

"The analysis was developed in response to questions by House Republicans and offers further evidence that several of the leading claims being made by opponents of health reform are unfounded. In addition to confirming that H.R. 3200 will increase the number of Americans receiving employer-provided care, CBO also reinforces that the vast majority of Americans will be in private, employer-sponsored coverage, and that of the Americans who enter into the health insurance exchange, the majority will choose to enroll in private plans..."

That is what many have been saying, government subsidies will mostly be used to purchase private insurance.

:puke:

and the fact that coverage will be mandated, they can hardly say we'd be choosing private plans.

We are so screwed.

I do not know what the numbers are for each year of people enrolling on Medicare will be, but I do believe it is going to be a problem.

Especially if we use any cost cutting measures to fund this reform bill, how you can cover this many new people without raising taxes or cutting services just does not make any sense to me.

:shrug:


A few comments here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6363750&mesg_id=6364954

Also I believe the protesters do have a point....
not about death panels or whatever they are saying.

We know that many baby boomers will be eligible for Social Security And they will also be eligible for Medicare.

We are told that we can partially fund health care reform with hundreds of billions of dollars in savings from Medicare.

What happens when millions of new people start to enroll in Medicare over the next decade and stay on the program for another 20 years?

Estimates are that the current number of people on Medicare will grow from 46 million to 79 million over the next two decades and that the influx of new people begins in 2011.

Even without knowing all the details of the numbers, that is a hell of a lot of people moving to Medicare and I believe that any savings will be needed for the Medicare program.

In addition to covering everyone, a Medicare for All program would also help to minimize the projected strain on the Medicare system.

What is in it for the young folks?

Not having to worry about being covered yourself.

Not having to worry about parents and other relatives struggling to find the money for supplemental Medicare plans.

Not facing the possibility of increased taxes to support a struggling Medicare system in the future.

Not sorting through different insurance plans.

Maybe I am missing something, if so please share.

,...nothing.

You can not POSSIBLY be speaking from the position of having NO HEALTH CARE even though you're working your ass off sustaining a decent life for your family.

Otherwise, you would be doing something more than discouraging any possibility,...or maybe, not.

(I used to have no health care. I moved and now have single-payer Medicare now)

The reality is that the "public option" is a shiny trinket (and not much more) that is being used to hide a Nixonian health plan. People are going ape-shit over a rather small part of the overall bill, as it has been scored, and missing the forest through the pretty trees.

If you like the rest of the bill, great. If you think the totality of the bill is the "public option", you are in a fantasy, and its not going to end well.

Trust me when I say, I have NO FANTASIES about accessing health care

That the US is run by a corporate interests, and is no longer a democracy.

oh wait, they already have.

I suppose the fundamental basis of government's role to protect THE PEOPLES' INTEREST has become the forgotten basis of our democracy because of corporate control of information flow.

When people don't get too caught up in their own self-importance, take a moment to reflect upon history (if they are willing), compare what is happening to the past, accept replication of exploitation,...

....and you WILL "win".

There must be "the will".

Faith as small as a mustard seed, can move mountains ;-) (google up the properties of the mustard seed)

ah, evermind. The important FACT about the mustard seed is not easily seen on "the google". One must look in books. Older books.

Peace,
M_Y_H

one wakes up to the fight.....seeds also have powers to reproduce over and over again,

We ALL live under the control of federal and state laws.

We are ALL being treated unconstitutionally since we are denied health care,...aren't we?