Why isn't dental and vision included in any of the healthcare bills?!

Did I miss something? .. if it's included havent heard anything about it.

This is something that is being overlooked and should be pushed to be included in the bill.

You can tell your rightwing neighbor... if people on the highway can see clearly, doesnt that help you?!

Ever try to shop for dental coverage? I have and they all suck, basically worthless.

Every advanced country in the world has a public healthcare option, with the lone exception of the US

Do any or all of those advanced countries offer public dental and vision?

I can search it out myself this weekend, but if anybody has info and links available now it would be much appreciated.

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I'm not sure it's currently "on the table," however.



http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single_payer_resources.php

Dental and vision has always been not covered by health insurance because it's something young people need. Young people, including myself when I was young, never complained about it because we had jobs and usually could get the basics taken care of on a cash basis. We were happy to have other health insurance in case something bad happened. The same jackals have excluded that in the insurance backed government health plan for the reason they can't make money covering dental and vision.

unless you are being followed for some eye problem. That's a matter for supplementary private insurance which is only affordable if you get it through an employer's group. Otherwise you are on your own.

...they're not always covered in countries with far more comprehensive health care provisions than ours, Canada and Denmark, e.g.

for something they just cut out benefits.

This is why Seniors are so upset with the Healthcare Insurance
Plan.

All these years they stayed with Dems because they knew
the GOP cut cut cut with the idea of ending.

Because the way things have gone with not much clarity for
Seniors, it appears the Democrats are now taking the scapel
to Medicare.

The Democrats are doing the Republicans a favor.

Example: Ross from Arkansas just peeled 100 Million from Medicare to give
to small Business.

Confusing Mess is it not??

Their dental needs are crowns, bridges, dentures, fillings, etc. This is a health issue and many cannot afford a dentist or their prescriptions.

You never got dentist for dependents in the service UNLESS you were some big wigs wife and I always felt that so unfair. You often saw the same thing with glasses. I am under a state med-gap plan that does help pay for these things but so far no dentist has gone in to the program so that part is not working for me. When it cost over as 100 to just have a check up and cleaning it is hard so I do it once a year not twice. Eye operations are paid for seniors.

No insurance is perfect.

does their system cover dental, and if so to what extent. bad british teeth are so ubiquitous, it's a pop culture and comedic given.

British/Welsh people sometimes have a few genetically poorly formed teeth. My best friend in the 8th grade was a daughter of Welsh/Irish immigrants, and she had a frontal tooth that did not even emerge. Of course, she also consumed a daily diet of steak + ketchup + microwaved pop tarts.

So the question is, do people of British descent inherently have bad teeth?

take a group of 100 random brits and 100 random US citizens in an urban area (iow similar demographics) and tell me which group has better teeth.

i don't care if it's a "stereotype". it's frigging true. brits will admit this, and as somebody who has spent considerable time IN london as well as US cities, i saw it firsthand. i've actually heard brits joke that US citizens care TOO MUCH about pretty teeth. seriously.

this "stereotype" is ubiquitous in popular culture. you spend 6 months in london, then 6 months in new york and tell me which city has better teeth.

as to your question... i have no idea. that's why i asked MY question. are you claiming that the difference in visually obvious dental differnces in the UK is largely (or solely) due to GENETIC FACTORS?

again

1) do you deny that the average brit has visually inferior teeth?
2) do you claim that it's largely or solely due to genetics.

no sentient being, who has spent ANY time in britain and the US could possibly NOT notice the difference.

it's like if you spend time in mexico and the US, (i've spent extensive time in mexico), that people in mexico are shorter, on average.

it's not friggin rocket science.

so , answer the questions if you find my "stereotypes" so pernicious.

here's another stereotype. the french drink more wine per capita than US citizens.

oh noes!!! a stereotype!

1) do you deny that the average brit has visually inferior teeth?
2) do you claim that it's largely or solely due to genetics.

those are questions. and i didn't bring up the genetics thang.

but fwiw, yes it's clear to anybody (well apart from blind people) that the brits, on average, have visually inferior teeth to the average US citizen.

similarly, some other observations from my travels:

1) the average mexican is shorter than the average US citizen
2) the average samoan is heavier than the average american

god forbid you answer the questions, though

how is that relevant?

although it is typical of people to evade and start running down tangential bunny trails (or hopping, i guess) when they know facts are against them. hop away!

1) do you deny that the average brit has visually inferior teeth?
2) do you claim that it's largely or solely due to genetics?

no sentient being, who has spent ANY time in britain and the US could possibly NOT notice the difference.

it's like if you spend time in mexico and the US, (i've spent extensive time in mexico), that people in mexico are shorter, on average.

it's not friggin rocket science.

so , answer the questions if you find my "stereotypes" so pernicious.

here's another stereotype. the french drink more wine per capita than US citizens.

oh noes!!! a stereotype!

96-97.

Went back in 99, 02 and 07. Watch mostly British TV... your frickin' celebrity millionaires have chompers like Alan Rickman's or Ozzy Osbourne's.

It's a cultural thing. Many American parents would consider it borderline child abuse to send their kids off to school with snaggleteeth if they could afford to fix it, just like deliberately choosing not to fix your child's hairlip or a huge facial birthmark would (hopefully) be cause for concern in the UK.

It's certainly not a bad thing that Brits are more tolerant of dental anomalies, but it's demonstrably, obviously true that they are.

i just find it amusing that i was accused of (god forbid) stereotyping for pointing out an easily observable fact that is just so blatantly obvious, especially to someone who has spent time in both countries.

and it's a natural comment in regards to people commenting on dental / health care and when comparing the US to britain.

what i find typical is that the same people who have NO problem with "stereotypes" that negatively depict americans (whether or not true, and many are true - like the fact that we are a disproportinately obese nation when compared to france, japan, etc.) get all pc and kerfuffled when ANY positive comparison is made in US citizen vs. other nations. it's a typical double standard.

but braces are ubiquitous in US middle schools. Any kid with even marginally bad teeth with get braces if their parents can afford it.

does not provide vision or dental. those benefits are provided under different (employer provided) insurance. my primary medical insurance doesn't cover either.

:shrug:

so I have opted to keep my insurance through my employer. I pay $200 a month for medical coverage, dental and eye care, life insurance and disability. Medicare can't provide all that.

Sorry...we just can't keep making fun of Freeper signs around here unless people get with the program.

it drives me batty also. Where's my red pen? LOL.

when Congress comes back from recess and President Obama comes back from vacation... the gloves will come off and the game will change. Everything that everyone is fussing about now will be irrelevant and the real plan will be on the table and Obama will get it passed by Christmas.

It's time to enjoy summer vacation, take a break, and then get serious in a week or two from now.

Don't ever forget that President Obama is playing chess and the rest are focusing on checkers.

That happened because of the kid from Maryland who died from a brain abscess because of an infected tooth that his famiy could not afford to get taken care of.

Those of us over 21 will be on our own paying for dental care. And the usual dental nsurance covers only two cleanings a year and some people need more and doesn't pay very much towards crowns and implants.

So can't we just not cover braces or something?

A rotting tooth can be debilitatingly painful... and deadly.