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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 07:31 AM
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Let's Put A Tough Democrat In The White House: Swap Weiner For Emanuel
I just watched Rep. Weiner's impressive performance on Scarborough - WOW! An actual Democrat who fights articulately for the right thing. That man is gold.

If Obama wants to pull himself out of the steaming pile of poop he's crawled into, I suggest that he start by flushing the crypto-Republican Emanuel, and put Weiner in his place. Weiner's the kind of guy we need on the Sunday shows, fighting for actual Americans instead of insurance company CEOs. If Obama can get out from under the DLC, and start fighting for the middle class like he did as a candidate, he can do fantastic things.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 07:37 AM
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1. Obama tells Emmanuel what to fight for. nt
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 07:46 AM
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3. I Don't Think That's Exactly The Case
Edited on Sat Aug-22-09 07:48 AM by MannyGoldstein
I think that Obama is fundamentally a good guy who wants to do the right thing. But he filled his entire administration with crypto-Republican DLCers, presumably because he wanted experienced people who called themselves "Democrats". Now that he deals with crypto-Republicans 24/7, he's beginning to think like them, and hence we have yet another Democratic presidency that is mired in the poop battling Republicans to see who can screw the middle class more.

He could use some actual Democrats to work with on a daily basis. This might help him to wake up.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 08:26 AM
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7. But, it was his choice to "fill his entire admin with crypto-DLCers."
I wanted Clark or Feingold.

Clark had punched enough conservative tickets to be a true progressive. Like our Beloved FDR, having all the trappings of the privileged class, he could be a true progressive.

We're governing from the middle in the rare time the US pop. is actually more progressively-minded than the Congress or White House. It's maddening, isn't it?

The Prez has to stop playing nice with folks that want him to fail.
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 10:15 AM
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17. +1
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 07:52 AM
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4. I've had good exchanges with you Captain, and I like and respect you, so
Edited on Sat Aug-22-09 07:53 AM by whathehell
I don't want you to take my response as a "hostile challenge" or anything, O.K.?..But my question is, how do you know that Rahm is not giving him advice and "direction" as well, even if by "stealth" if you will?

Rahm is a LONG time Beltway player and was very close to the Clintons. We all know his record as being, to put it politely, rabidly DLC and quite ethically questionable in other respects.

I just think that we sometimes forget that Pres. Obama, with all his smarts, etc., really IS inexperienced on the national stage...He didn't even complete his first term as Senator, something I believe may have berm a mistake....

Don't get me wrong -- I support and like guy, I voted for him in the primary and the General and I'm worried as hell about the attacks on him from the Right and the Blue Dogs.

I agree that he WOULD do better to get a guy like Weiner and others from the "democratic wing of the Democratic party". I think surrounding himself with dubious people has hurt him.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 08:23 AM
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6. Emmanuel is as tough a fighter as there is. And I think he wants to be on the winning team
that Team Obama is. I, too, think Weiner would be great.

Yes, I think he does give some advice. But I assume the Big Picture goals are set by the president.

Your comment about inexperience is also valid. And so the influence of Emmanuel probably varies from issue to issue.

I can't get a handle on the how/where of goals colliding with possibilities is. That's where I get confused. I think the debate started too far to the right even if the result would have been the same. But when I read the things Sebelius - I can't spell that - is saying, she seems to be all over the board.

As someone who can't buy health insurance, I'm following this one pretty closely.

It just seems as though when something goes off track a bit, everyone here blames Emmanuel.

Let's keep our fingers crossed. I think the Dems want to do the Right Thing and they're just going to have to write off the Republicans and punish the Blue Cross Dogs.

Keep up the Good Fight!
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 02:25 PM
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21. Yes...I just came back from a "teabaggers" protest which was countered
by the Democratic pro-health reform almost two to one!

It was THEIR rally, but we outnumbered them, which leaves me feeling hopeful.

As for pushing out the Repubs and unpersuadable Blue Dogs (my BlueDog Congressman did a huge turn around now strongly supports the public option)I absolutely agree.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 03:59 PM
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22. Yay!!!
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tj2001 Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 07:45 AM
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2. It's really a matter of agenda
and walking the walk.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 08:19 AM
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5. You need to put democratic senators and congressman incapable of independent thought
so they will to whatever Emanuel asks them to do. In other words, elect democrats that have no more independence than the republican lemmings Bush and Rove led right off a cliff.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 08:45 AM
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8. If he's so tough, why can't he convince his follow House Democrats to support single-payer
There are many politicians that talk a good game but come up short in the results department. Emmanuel is a behind the scenes kind of guy rather than a showboater. Which is probably why Obama picked him rather than someone like Weiner.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 08:51 AM
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9. I Have No Evidence That He's Tough
Noe that he's an *actual* Democrat.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 09:17 AM
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11. Yawn.Google. So nice to know DUers are smarter than the prez. Yawn. nt
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 09:24 AM
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12. It's Safe to Say I Couldn't Have Done A Worse Job Of This, No?
Of course, Obama could pull out of this if he does the right thing.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 09:31 AM
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13. It's really safe to say you'd never have been elected. Your opinion
makes no difference considering you're not there day-to-day to know what's really going on.

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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 11:02 AM
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20. I Beg To Differ
We "left of the left" types caused Obama to start wandering back towards a better health reform agenda this week, despite Emanuel's mewlings. So our opinion does make a difference.
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ProgressiveFool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 09:01 AM
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10. rahm emanuell is singularly useless
Edited on Sat Aug-22-09 09:03 AM by ProgressiveFool
so yes, I support this initiative

else, we just have slippery Rahm taking advantage of the helpless democrat syndrome... i.e. I would love to do something for the people of the United states, but gosh darn it, it's so difficult, especially when they don't line up and vote the right way.
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 10:17 AM
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18. +1
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 09:41 AM
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14. "We" don't get a choice in the matter
Bosses choose their own staff:)
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 10:12 AM
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15. I fully support this one
Get rid of our turdblossom.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 10:13 AM
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16. we do not vote for white house chief of staff....he serves at the pleasure of the Prez
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 11:00 AM
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19. And The Prez Serves At The Pleasure Of The Electorate
And I'm not pleased.
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 04:02 PM
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23. Weiner swapping - not that there's anything wrong with it
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