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eomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 09:03 AM
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Betsy McCaughey's lies
Here are Betsy McCaughey's two major claims about the Democratic healthcare proposals (specifically HR 3200), and why they are lies.

McCaughey's claim that doctors will be required to hold "end of life" consultations with their patients.
Not true. The HR 3200 provision (page 425) does not require consultations -- it merely adds them to the list of medical services that are covered and paid for. These consultations will only occur if patients choose to participate in them -- they are just one more service that can be used by patients but are in no way required in the proposed rules.

McCaughey's claim that doctors' compensation will be based on their compliance with the "end of life" plans that come out of those consultations.
Not true. The PQRI program that McCaughey refers to has incentive pay that is based only on doctors' performance of reporting requirements. All the doctors have to do to receive the incentive pay is to provide data to the government. This incentive pay under PQRI is not, as McCaughey claims, based on whether the doctors comply with "end of life" plans or on any other metric related to how they perform services. It is based only on whether they send in the required reports. The data that they send in will not be released in a way that it can be identified with individual doctors or practice groups of doctors.

These conclusions are based on:
  1. http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090714/aahca.pdf">HR 3200
  2. http://www.cms.hhs.gov/PQRI/01_Overview.asp#TopOfPage">Outlines of the PQRI rules

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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 09:20 AM
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1. I think she represents classic GOP projection. That's how they will interpret it if it passes and...
... if they ever get power back into their grubby hands.

They have demonstrated that they love death panels (now privatized), but it WILL be their rationale to create death panels to cut taxes and defund social mandates.

Repugs often project when pointing fingers of blame, and I think this is a case of it.


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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 12:27 PM
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9. Wow -- you mean like
Like "Fuzzy Math"?

Like saying that Clinton WH keyboards were "VANDALIZED" of their "W" keys, & that the Clinton WH was "RANSACKED" of silverware?

Like saying that "Liberal judges are activist"?

Like saying that Hillary was "authoritarian"?

Like saying that Obama is "illegitimately elected"?

Like saying that liberals are "godless"? That Obama is "fascist"?

Like saying that we who stopped Social Security "privatization" want elderly to "Be Killed" with Death Panels?

Like saying that liberals "politicize science" and have "junk science"?

I don't believe you. I don't think Right-Wingers project, or accuse what they themselves are up to.

But if you're correct 4% of the time...

Makes you wonder about the weirder accusations of Right-Wingers, like Bush's SOTA intimations about "horrifying human-animal hybrids". Or "FEMA Roundup Concentration Camps".

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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 03:41 PM
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12. Yes. Just like those. eom
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KelleyKramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 09:27 AM
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2. I knew it...

Was wondering about the 2nd point when she made it to Jon Stewart, and as per usual, it turns out to be yet another GOP lie.

Thanks for the info, knr!
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 09:40 AM
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3. "Paid Political Prapaganda Artist for the Health Insurance Companies"
Edited on Sat Aug-22-09 09:43 AM by FreakinDJ


The health care reform bill "would make it mandatory — absolutely require — that every five years people in Medicare have a required counseling session that will tell them how to end their life sooner."
Betsy McCaughey on Thursday, July 16th, 2009 in on the Fred Thompson radio show



McCaughey claims end-of-life counseling will be required for Medicare patients

Republicans have found many reasons to oppose the Democrats' health care proposal, but this is one of the oddest.

Betsy McCaughey, chairman of the Committee to Reduce Infection Deaths and former lieutenant governor of New York state, says the bill goes too far to encourage senior citizens to end their lives.

McCaughey is no stranger to the health care debate. In 1994, she wrote a scathing review of the Clinton administration's health care plan in the New Republic, a left-leaning magazine, arguing that the proposal would lead to rationing of treatment and would prevent patients from choosing health insurance. Republicans seized on the key points of "No Exit," forcing the Clintons to issue a response to the article.

McCaughey's comments are "not just wrong, they are cruel," said Dau. "We want to make sure people are making the right decision. If some one wants to take every life-saving measure, that's their call. Others will decide it's not worth going through this trauma just for themselves and their families, and that's their decision, too."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/23/betsy-mccaughey/mccaughey-claims-end-life-counseling-will-be-requi/">PolitiFact-McCaughey



She is nothing more then a "Paid Political Prapaganda Artist for the Health Insurance Companies"
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 09:42 AM
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4. I just watched Jon Stewart spank her.
And enjoyed every minute of it. Ouch! :rofl:
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 09:48 AM
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5. we knew she was lying
she was lying back when they trotted her out during the Clinton admin to kill that health care bill. I just wish people like that could experience what's it like not to be able to see a Dr.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 10:06 AM
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6. You know every time I was in the hospital they wanted to know if I..
had a "Living Will". I was told about and give a "Patients Bill of rights" which I signed for. I was asked to sign a "Health Care Proxy" The hospital seemed to do a pretty good job in explaining these thing to the point of annoyance. As far as hospice care the goal was to have a patient come home if possible. I was given the choice & the hospital arranged for hospice to provide home care & equipment. Thinking back to 2004, the hospital would rather have one die elsewhere where immediate 24 hr specialized individual care could be given. Today our Hospice provider has a wonderful facility for the patient & the family. I think it alleviates the burden from both the family & the hospital. Without a consult how would the patient of even the family know about such end of life care? Doesn't it do those involved a disservice not to have it? I'd bet if polled people will give positive feed back about Hospice & end of life care. Hospice & end of life care isn't so much about the dying as its is for the living.

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/MIT/content/MIT_3_2_Patients_Bill_Of_Rights.asp
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adamuu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 10:09 AM
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7. We have identified patient zero in this epidemic of madness n/t
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felinetta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 10:55 AM
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8. Aug 14 09, Dick Armey resigns, Aug 21 09 Betsy resigns, and this past week
Glen Beck took a forced vacation.  Not bad!  I think Rachel
Maddow and John Stewart should team up and get all these thugs
fired or at least having to "resign".
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 12:44 PM
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10. :& Andrew SULLIVAN was the Editor of New Republic at the time and published
her book(s). That's one of the many reasons I won't accept apologists for him who laud his VERY BELATED disaffection with Shrub. the MAIN one is that he was an apologist for Shrub when it counted. It's like with Tweety, who is a couple of notches up on redemption, Tweety has a lifetime to go before achieving it.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 12:46 PM
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11. I wonder if she can talk without MUGGING like that. . . . .n/t
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