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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 10:41 AM
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Obama's 3 Stooges (Gingrich, Sharpton & Duncan) for Corporate "School Reform"
Bruce Dixon of the Black Agenda Report gets it and exposes public education deform with humor. I'll post excerpts from his right-on-target article below the cartoon but you can find the entire message at http://tinyurl.com/naskao



Despite a decade of hard sell by right wing think tanks, foundations, and big media, the American people have not bought the corporate version of school reform. Most people just don't believe public schools should be privatized or militarized, or operated by business people like businesses instead of by educators, parents and communities in the interests of children, parents and communities, like the best schools always have been run. And most educators doubt that high stakes testing improves educational outcomes in any meaningful way.


Since the public debates on charter schools and privatizing education are ones that our elite cannot win, they have decreed there will be no debate. Instead of an honest public examination of the disastrous impact of No Child Left Behind, and its attendant decade of creeping educational privatization, corporate media, the Obama administration and its bipartisan allies are sending in the clowns with a 21st century three stooges remake starring the Rev. Al Sharpton, along with Republican former Speaker Newt Gingrich and Obama Secretary of Education Arne Duncan, elbowing and slapping at each other, yukking it up about their supposed political differences while they all come together around the corporate elite's version of “school reform.”


I urge readers to read Dixon's entire article at the URL posted above.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 10:58 AM
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1. I'm taking it that
this thread has been "unrecommended"?

Forgive me, it's been a long time since I've posted here.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 11:07 AM
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2. Any support for public education at DU? n/t
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 11:21 AM
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4. yup...just none of us are are around today....
i love that poster of the three stooges!

i`ve written many replies about testing arne and his disaster in chicago. i think public education is the bedrock of our country but today in many cases it`s a disaster. it`s become so bad if my wife and i were raising our kids today we would home school them. my wife and i have the secondary education to do that and what we lack can be made up by others.
my daughter dropped out seveal years ago because she could`t pass math or science courses.she passed her ged and today she is making more money per hour than my wife and i have ever made. she`s a first responder,safety committee leader,and has over 12 hours in an on going osha training program. she would be a reject in arne`s system of teaching to test. the heart and soul of the educational experience is gone.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 11:41 AM
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8. Thank you!
And thank you to Orwellian_Ghost also.

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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 11:43 AM
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9. You suggested that The Leader might not be perfect.
For that you must be punished.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 11:49 AM
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11. Whether Obama...
is complicit in the ongoing destruction of public education or just horribly ill-informed I do not know.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 11:52 AM
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12. That does not matter.
To say that something in his administration might fall short of perfection is an attack, as the zealots see it.

I exaggerate, but not by much. It has just about become impossible to have a real conversation around here, thanks to the loyalty enforcers.
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 11:10 AM
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3. Geez
After my rec still in the negative. It seems the neo-liberal privatizers don't like public services.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 11:24 AM
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5. no shit...well it is saturday morning ...
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 11:25 AM
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6. In education reform
there is not a dime's worth of difference between the Republicans and the Democrats.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 11:30 AM
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7. and it shows here on this forum n/t
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 11:45 AM
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10. It's not about ed policy: it's about defending The Leader.
Any thread that implies that something somewhere in America is not hunky dory is seen as an attack on The Leader, and the loyalty enforcers pour in and hump the unrec button to hell and back, kind of like they used to do with the alert button when someone had the temerity to post something other than a pinup thread.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 02:49 PM
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17. kick n/t
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 12:12 PM
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13. Hey, I'm getting some encouragement now!
And btw, I voted for Obama.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 08:40 PM
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40. Hi, teachergal! So did...
...I. And I still want him to succeed...even in making public schools the best they can be. He is, for whatever reason, headed down the wrong track. BTW, if you haven't read ED.gov, here's a link:

http://www.edgovblogs.org/duncan/2009/05/secretary-arne-duncan-takes-listening-tour-online-invites-comments-on-raising-standards/

:hi:
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 08:53 PM
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42. Hi Yvonne!
And thanks for responding. Yes, I read ED.gov but am not convinced at all that they are really listening.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 09:47 PM
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46. I am positive that they are NOT listening. But the ideas and...
...responses of teachers describe exactly the innovation we need. Just the common sharing of both the problems of and solutions for our public schools is enlightening. If only the 'powers that be' could listen to the collective wisdom of the nation's teachers. :patriot:
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 01:03 AM
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55. if only indeed n/t
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 12:20 PM
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14. A little more humor on the Three Stooges:
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 12:34 PM
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15. Have to leave for the rest of the day
but will be back tonight to see how this thread is doing. Again, thank you to those of you who have supported it.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 01:36 PM
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16. hehe
One more boot before I leave the house. Can't give up easily.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 03:03 PM
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18. Those of you doing the "UNRECOMMENDS"
Edited on Sat Aug-22-09 03:40 PM by teacher gal
Please provide one shred of evidence supporting the current administration's proposals for putting the previous administration's efforts to undermine public education on steroids. You do not post because you do not want to face the truth.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 03:06 PM
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19. cowards n/t
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 03:41 PM
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20. still awaiting the evidence
and still haven't left my house hoping to get support for this thread. Guess I'm an idiot.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 03:50 PM
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21. I repeat...cowards. n/t
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 04:05 PM
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22. There are some supporters here
and some who wish to see this thread conveniently disappear. I won't let it. I'll be back tonight.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 04:19 PM
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23. k&r
For a long time, public schools in New Orleans have needed profound changes to improve quality, but the privatization of schools is destroying the entire school system. Certified, career teachers are being replaced by low-paid, uncertified, Teach for America kids, and art, language, and dance classes are being sacrificed at the all mighty alter of "math and science'... I suppose they will soon include Bible Studies in the curriculum.


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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 04:34 PM
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24. thanks for the rec! n/t
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 04:40 PM
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25. Another courageous "unrec"
from a poster who will not bother to provide evidence to support the Duncan/Gingrich/Sharpon sham?
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 04:57 PM
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26. and yet another...but no defense
posted for that unrec.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 06:12 PM
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27. Hard for me to give up.
Sorry.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 07:13 PM
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28. I get
some recs (and unrecs) but no discussion.
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Riley18 Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 07:13 PM
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29. People have one track minds. Free education is being wiped out while we
are being distracted with fake health care wars. Do they really think that the powers in Washington don't already know where they are gonna go with health care? They play games and people are like sheep.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 07:14 PM
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30. yes n/t
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Riley18 Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 07:22 PM
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31. One think I think is that we thought all the corporate takeover of public
education was over. Everyone blamed Bush for the little children being subjected to high stress testing. Now we have the three stooges conspiring to take over free education for our kids. They claim they have a better way, but they do not have research to prove it other than data that reflects what they want it to reflect. One thing that is very clear is, if they were serious about improving education, they would ask teachers for input. Arne and company have ignored National Board Certified teachers. They do not ask the opinion of experts. Arne has never taught a class in his life. His mom ran a daycare and he says that is why he is an expert. They have a catchy new phrase, but it is the same bullshit.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 07:26 PM
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32. exactly
The overwhelming bulk of evidence weighs heavily against merit pay for teachers and the expansion of charter schools. And I'm not one who blamed only Bush and the Republicans. The Democrats were and are into this up to their eyeballs.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 08:02 PM
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62. On Duncan: "His mom ran a daycare and he says that is why he is an expert"...
...I ran a classroom, an after school program, organized programs on conflict resolution, and went back to school to get my administrative credential...all this while raising children and grandchildren...so what does that make me? :7
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 07:37 PM
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34. Most education threads sink pretty quickly.
It's not a "hot" enough topic. Unless you are bashing schools or teachers; then it will get plenty of support.

Of course, now that there is a Democratic administration that promotes union-busting and privatization, and the "unrecommend" feature, you are going to get plenty of partisans who will unrec any thread that comments negatively on the administration, no matter how deserved.

Still, there are still supporters of public ed on DU; you just happened to hit a time when they aren't at their 'puters.

Thanks for trying.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 07:49 PM
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37. yeah
I understand. Give me credit for persistence though!
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 07:37 PM
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35. Thank you people...
for the recs. And would the people who "unrec" please defend your position? I'm all for civil discourse.
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 07:42 PM
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36. The Grouch, the Coach, and the Preacher
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 08:19 PM
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39. opportunists all
who have as much business driving public education reform as I have designing a craft to send people to Mars.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 03:00 PM
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59. ...
...Funny! :7
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 08:00 PM
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38. As I said
Give me credit for persistence.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 08:45 PM
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41. California and RTTT...
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 09:28 PM
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43. But take a look at this Yvonne:
And shame on California's governor.

The Education Standing Committee of the National Conference of State Legislatures has come out against national standards and forcing states to lift their charter school caps if they do not use that desperately needed money as top-down control demands.


If you go to the NCSL link below you have to scroll down a bit to read their statements about lifting charter school caps and the imposition of national standards. They oppose both:


http://www.ncsl.org/Default.aspx?TabID=773&tabs=855,22,634#Public_Charter

I have argued elsewhere that we should join forces and try to get the NCSL to challenge the Obama/Duncan team to participate in nationally televised debates about the merits of their reform proposals. Fair and democratic debates where they are not allowed to control the questions, the questioner, and the mike. It has gone nowhere.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 09:57 PM
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48. Debating education issues under those terms would be...
...a good idea, but it seems Obama and Duncan have their plan set. Debate would rock the boat...so would loud teacher voices. Now that the NEA has taken a position, the stage seems set for both...especially in California and New York.

Thank you for the link. :)
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 09:37 PM
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44. a little kick before I hit the hay
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 09:38 PM
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45. Thanks Iris! n/t
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 09:49 PM
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47. Ha
Hoping Yvonne and any other supporters come back.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 10:01 PM
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50. You betcha...
...:7
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 11:32 PM
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54. My last pitch for the night....n/t
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 09:57 PM
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49. Not one person who has done this thread
an "unrec" has posted any defense for that action.
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 10:24 PM
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51. I should've left the name Obama
out of the thread title.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 10:31 PM
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52. Next time include a picture of Obama, shirtless, eating ice cream.
That'll get you at least a hundred recs in an hour or so.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 02:57 PM
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58. ...
...:7
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #58
60. With Bo. That's an extra 150 recs. n/t
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:56 PM
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61. At least...
... ;)
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 09:18 PM
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65. Bonus points if Obama has melted ice cream running down his bare chest. n/t
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:18 PM
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66. ...
...:rofl:
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 11:01 PM
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53. 'Nite n/t
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 12:37 PM
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56. Thanks for the pointer to Dixon, sounds like someone I should read.
And thanks for the meme of "education deform". NGU! :hi:
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 12:39 PM
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57. Here's a Kick and a Recommend
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 08:02 PM
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63. K & R Teacher Gal : )
:)
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 08:13 PM
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64. K&R. I agree that teachers should be in charge of education.
I agree that teachers should be in charge of education, or at least have some input.

--imm
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:21 PM
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67. We should, at a minimum, be a stakeholder. These days, we're...
...the scapegoat for everything that is wrong in public schools. THAT lie needs to be countered. JMHO.
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