No Side Effects So Far in Trial of Swine Flu Shot

There have been no serious side effects from the first set of injections of the new swine flu vaccine, federal health officials said Friday in predicting that nearly 200 million doses could be produced by year’s end.

Clinical trials in adults began on Aug. 7, and those in children on Wednesday.

“There are no red flags regarding safety,” said Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, which is overseeing the trials.

Because the only side effects in adults were sore arms, which are typical of any flu shot, trials on children were able to begin, and those in pregnant women are expected to begin early next month, Dr. Fauci said in a telephone news conference with officials from the Food and Drug Administration and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The vaccine will be tested in about 4,500 people. That is far too few to pick up subtle side effects, but the virus strain in the vaccine is close enough to one strain in seasonal shots so that side effects are expected to be similar.


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/22/us/22flu.html


This is very good news. Lets hope the trend continues.

David

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What are you trying to do? Actually help people make informed decisions based on sound reasoning and SCIENCE?

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Why Vaccine Makers Now Have ZERO Incentive to Ensure Safety

Drug manufacturers got a major boost in protection and were granted unprecedented powers to experiment on the population with the passing of the 2006 Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act (the PREP Act).

This law allows the DHHS Secretary to invoke almost complete immunity from liability for manufacturers of vaccines and drugs used to combat a declared public health emergency.

The PREP Act removes your right to a trial jury unless you can provide clear evidence of willful misconduct that resulted in death or serious physical injury. But that’s not all. First you must apply for and be granted permission to sue by the DHHS Secretary.

The most problematic aspect of the PREP Act is that it removes all financial incentive to make a safe product.

In fact, vaccine makers now have a negative incentive to test it for safety, because if they are aware of problems, then they could potentially be held liable for willful misconduct!




From Mercola.com

Me? Oh, I'm getting it as soon as it's available to get. I have chronic bronchitis, and have no desire to end up in the hospital from complications of any flu. I take the seasonal vaccine every year. No flu. No side effects.

But you should decide for yourself and skip it if you're all panicky and shit about it. I won't worry about catching it from you, since I'll have had the vaccine.

Best of luck with all that.

My health insurance is $715/year, since I'm self-employed. Sucks to be just a year from it.

have an H1N1 component. It's entirely possible that a cumulative effect may lessen the chances of catching this H1N1 variant. I haven't heard of a lot of old farts catching this one.

I also had the last serious H1N1 flu. That was the one that started me taking the vaccine every year. I got sicker than shit with it. Had a nasty H1N1 in the 70s, too.

This epidemiological data supports laboratory serology studies that indicate that older people may have pre-existing immunity to the novel H1N1 flu virus. This age distribution is very different from what is normally seen for seasonal flu, where older people are more heavily impacted.

While people 65 years and older are much less likely to become ill with novel H1N1 flu, the increase in the hospitalization rate for people in this age groups indicates that if they do become sick, their risk of hospitalization is increased. This is not surprising given that people 65 and older are generally considered at higher risk of serious flu-related complications, including those requiring hospitalization, from seasonal flu illness.


http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/surveillanceqa.htm

to have immunity. I'm afraid 64 is a bit too young.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/090713212231.htm

However, people between the ages of 24 and 65 with underlying health problems are on the priority list for the vax, so the poster above will be eligible.

This epidemiological data supports laboratory serology studies that indicate that older people may have pre-existing immunity to the novel H1N1 flu virus. This age distribution is very different from what is normally seen for seasonal flu, where older people are more heavily impacted.

While people 65 years and older are much less likely to become ill with novel H1N1 flu, the increase in the hospitalization rate for people in this age groups indicates that if they do become sick, their risk of hospitalization is increased. This is not surprising given that people 65 and older are generally considered at higher risk of serious flu-related complications, including those requiring hospitalization, from seasonal flu illness.


http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/surveillanceqa.htm

The more recent Russian flu was a 1977–1978 flu epidemic caused by strain Influenza A/USSR/90/77 (H1N1). It infected mostly children and young adults under 23 because a similar strain was prevalent in 1947–57, causing most adults to have substantial immunity. Some have called it a flu pandemic, but because it only affected the young it is not considered a true pandemic. The virus was included in the 1978–1979 influenza vaccine.<9><10><[br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_A_virus_subtype_H1N1#Russian_flu

they're the ones that apparently don't know what they're doing.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/090713212231.htm

"Writing in a fast-tracked report published July 13, 2009 in the journal Nature, an international team of researchers led by UW-Madison virologist Yoshihiro Kawaoka provides a detailed portrait of the pandemic virus and its pathogenic qualities....

...The new Nature report also assessed the immune response of different groups to the new virus.The most intriguing finding, according to Kawaoka, is that those people exposed to the 1918 virus, all of whom are now in advanced old age, have antibodies that neutralize the H1N1 virus. "The people who have high antibody titers are the people born before 1918," he notes."

And for the record, while wikipedia is considered a good place to link to sources, it is not generally accepted as a legitimate source.

This epidemiological data supports laboratory serology studies that indicate that older people may have pre-existing immunity to the novel H1N1 flu virus. This age distribution is very different from what is normally seen for seasonal flu, where older people are more heavily impacted.

While people 65 years and older are much less likely to become ill with novel H1N1 flu, the increase in the hospitalization rate for people in this age groups indicates that if they do become sick, their risk of hospitalization is increased. This is not surprising given that people 65 and older are generally considered at higher risk of serious flu-related complications, including those requiring hospitalization, from seasonal flu illness.

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/surveillanceqa.htm

anti-vax nutcase central.

Sid

Can you refute the info posted by kimmerspixelated more specifically?

But I guess I should do it when I have an hour or two to swim through it.

He promotes so much crackpot BS he should have his medical license revoked.

I think I'll take my chances without the vaccine. Didnt I see where the rate of deaths from h1n1 is far less than the regular annual flu?

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phases of the course of the epidemic or pandemic or whatever. Looks like we're all going to have to wait a bit, since the vaccine is going to be slower in distribution than some would like.

It's impossible to tell how widespread or virulent this is going to be. There are lots of people saying the sky is falling, and it may be. Or...it may turn out to be less than they think. Nobody knows, but we'll certainly find out.

Watch the news. If it starts spreading like wildfire, take all the precautions you can. I'll be doing that, and getting the vaccine as early as I can. Same with the seasonal flu vaccine.

you won't be able to get one early anyway.

It takes a while, so if you wait until someone in your family, or someone at work gets it, you may end up with it anyway.

"A/New Jersey/76 (Hsw1N1) was likely introduced into Fort Dix early in 1976.
The virus caused disease with radiologic evidence of pneumonia in at least 4 soldiers and 1 death."

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol12no01/05-0965.htm

The 2009 Novel H1N1 is not the 1918 virus

"Currently in the US it appears that for every 1000 people who get infected with (Novel H1N1), about 40 people need admission to hospital and about one person dies. This is a still an aggressive virus, but no more so than the flu viruses that change slightly every year."

http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/05/25/take-a-deep-breath-swine-flus-not-that-bad/

How severe is illness associated with novel H1N1 flu virus?

Illness with the new H1N1 virus has ranged from mild to severe. While most people who have been sick have recovered without needing medical treatment, hospitalizations and deaths from infection with this virus have occurred.
About 70 percent of people who have been hospitalized with this novel H1N1 virus have had one or more medical conditions previously recognized as placing people at “high risk” of serious seasonal flu-related complications. This includes pregnancy, diabetes, heart disease, asthma and kidney disease.

http://www.cdc.gov/H1N1flu/qa.htm

In May 1977, influenza A/H1N1 viruses isolated in northern China, spread rapidly, and caused epidemic disease in children and young adults (< 23 years) worldwide.

The 1977 virus was similar to other A/H1N1 viruses that had circulated prior to 1957. (In 1957, the A/H1N1 virus was replaced by the new A/H2N2 viruses).

Because of the timing of the appearance of these viruses, persons born before 1957 were likely to have been exposed to A/H1N1 viruses and to have developed immunity against A/H1N1 viruses.

Therefore, when the A/H1N1 reappeared in 1977, many people over the age of 23 had some protection against the virus and it was primarily younger people who became ill from A/H1N1 infections. By January 1978, the virus had spread around the world, including the United States. Because illness occurred primarily in children, this event was not considered a true pandemic. Vaccine containing this virus was not produced in time for the 1977-78 season, but the virus was included in the 1978-79 vaccine.


http://www.hhs.gov/nvpo/pandemics/flu3.htm

Of course the virus mutated and became both. That is the concern with the current H1N1 virus. They are valid concerns as it has followed similar patterns to the 1918 pandemic.

and SARS and the Killer Bees.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Booga Booga

Seriously though the Spanish Flu also H1N1 killed 100 million people and the death rate was only 2.5%. So the chances of you dying from any flu pandemic are remote. That of course doesn't mean that vaccines aren't the best course of action for public health.

I'm trying to keep a close eye on this. There are some people in the "high risk" group within my immediate family, so I monitor this alot.

. . . the "novel H1N1 virus" first appeared in Mexico this past Spring.
Yet, according to an e-mail my bro sent me last night, there was a
patent application made two years ago---on August 28, 2007---for the
vaccine. A patent process for a vaccine against a specific flu virus
before it appears? No way! Cannot be, I thought. However . . .

Checking the patent office website last night, I was able to locate the
application and, sure enough, it's dated 08/28/07. A few minutes ago, however,
when I tried again (hoping to do a copy & paste), I received a message saying,
"Sorry, unable to process your request due to high system volume." Anyway . . .

If you're interested, perhaps you can get through the "high system volume"
later today. (I'm shuttin' 'er down for tonight . . . or should I say "for
today"? It's after 5 a.m. -- another all-nighter.) See:

http://portal.uspto.gov/external/portal/pair

Enter the application number --> 60/966,724 <-- then, check the
specifications on page 13, where you'll notice the viruses that patent
covers.

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Yep, it works!

Now . . . if you'll go to the Image File Wrapper & page 13 of SPEC,
you'll see H1N1 among others listed.

Don't know what it means but it's interesting, nevertheless. So-o
interesting to me that I won't be getting THAT vax.

:shrug:

H1N1 is the flu virus from the 1918 pandemic. It is one of the most studied viruses in the world. H1N1 vaccines have been made in the past. The particular vaccine for this strain of H1N1 is the one they are currently testing. It really helps if you read about the stuff you are posting.

All best!

One of my dear friends is with the Stanford trial and that one is also going very well.

Guillain-Barré syndrome can affect anybody. It can strike at any age and both sexes are equally prone to the disorder. The syndrome is rare, however, afflicting only about one person in 100,000. Usually Guillain-Barré occurs a few days or weeks after the patient has had symptoms of a respiratory or gastrointestinal viral infection. Occasionally surgery or vaccinations will trigger the syndrome.

http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/gbs/detail_gbs.htm

GBS may be a rare side-effect of influenza vaccines, with an incidence of about one case per million vaccinations.<10> Other estimates suggest the incidence of GBS among those receiving the vaccine was one case per 105,000 and that the GBS was not directly due to the vaccine but to its being contaminated with a bacterium that triggers GBS.<11>
There were reports of GBS affecting some people who had received swine flu immunizations in the 1976 U.S. outbreak of swine flu. Overall, there were about 500 cases of GBS—25 of which resulted in death from severe pulmonary complications—which, according to Dr. P. Haber, were probably caused by an immunopathological reaction to the 1976 swine flu vaccine. Other influenza vaccines have not been linked to GBS, though caution is advised for certain individuals, particularly those with a history of GBS.<12><13>
Guillain-Barre, unlike disorders such as multiple sclerosis and Lou Gehrig`s disease (ALS), is a peripheral nerve disorder and does not generally cause nerve damage to the brain or spinal cord.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillain-Barré_syndrome


Hope that helps you make an informed decision.

I talked this over with my Internist. I have Multiple Sclerosis, Diabetes and some rare form of arthritis that is mostly osteo arthritis but has an elevated rheumatoid factor. It is not Rheumatoid Arthritis, but it is very destructive, fast moving and painful. (My last Neurologist told me that it is not at all uncommon to have clusters of autoimmune diseases, unfortunately.) I get a flu shot every year and a pneumonia shot every five years, because I have had pneumonia four times as a secondary infection to flu. People with MS are particularly susceptible to pneumonia and other respiratory disorders.

My doctor has no qualms about giving me a regular flu shot and a pneumonia shot, but he is hesitant about the swine flu shot for me. He said that the last time he had read about it he didn't like the conditions under which it was being prepared and he worried about the fact that it produced the Epstein Barre virus in some circumstances. I had Mononucleosis when I was in high school and that is also caused by the Epstein Barre virus. I was very sick, could barely move, and had a grossly enlarged spleen. I missed a whole semester of school. The doctor attending me, gave me Gamma Globulin and tried everything he could to relieve my symptoms but it didn't do much good. My present doctor said live Epstein Barre is still showing up in my blood tests, although I'm not experiencing any symptoms I can attribute to it. (I know. With everything else how could I tell?) ;)

He said to talk to him again after the vaccine is released for general use, and he would have a better idea how to advise me. I am 62, by the way, and fall into the older category of not catching it so easily. Still, the way flu has treated me in the past makes me favor vaccinations on the whole.

Hope everything works out for you. My dad has suffered with what sounds like a very similar rhuematoid condition for years. Take care.

Please give my best yo your Dad, and tell him he raised a kind and caring son.;)

He's recovering from a severe stroke in April. My mom has dementia, so we've had a tough go of it for several months now. Thanks for the kind words.

David

My mom died of a massive stroke in 2004. My husband and I had been caring for her in our home. She had congestive heart failure and was terrified of convalescent hospitals, so we were able to spare her that. She was 87 and sharp as a tack. I still miss her. The hospital said they could not save her, but even so it was a terrific shock.

I hope your Dad maintains and recovers, and I'm hoping for your Mom too. I know there is no reversal for Dementia or Alzheimers but I still hope for her. I send my best wishes to you and your family and i admire you greatly for taking the time to explain and post when you have so much on your mind. You are a wonderful human being and I hope this dark time leaves you very soon. Thanks again, and take care of yourself.

:hi:

black and white for you? Wouldn't having all available information be advisable?

When the Japanese are watching the U.S. because it uses it population as guinea pigs, that's not something to consider?

We have enough stupid, chauvinistic, pointless battles on DU. Does this important topic have to be another one?


NO.

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It is interesting that you would have posted those statements with no links or attributions but with a little smiley wave and then question the tenor of the discussion.

kill any interest in continuing with you and then come back to try to make yourself look reasonable.



AND the last refuge of the true scoundrel is trying to make out that someone else used a SMILEY IN A HARMFUL MANNER :rofl:

Use the Search and don't bother me again.

Minus the crying I insinutated you were doing. That of course got it deleted. So here it is without the crying.

And the dishonesty it depends on.

ENOUGH.

:thumbsdown: You don't get favors from those you treat poorly.

Seriously, did you think it was honest to post statements with no reference and then criticize me for insulting a group of people whom you never referenced?

Foriegn or otherwise.

"When the Japanese are watching the U.S. because it uses it population as guinea pigs, that's not something to consider?"

Not when it's based on lies, no.

What would they do without legions of loyalists?

Why do you think they are doing clinical trials? Just a hint, to test for side effects and to test for effectiveness.

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Your chronic inability to talk without resorting to silly, childish insults is sad.