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steelmania75 Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 04:50 PM
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The Patriot Act MUST be Repealed
Agree?

I haven't heard anyone talk about this bill for awhile.

Does anyone have any info on progress to repeal it?
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 04:58 PM
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1. Why? We've got two occupations ramped up full bore and continue to proudly
conduct missile strikes and drone executions of suspected al quaeda.

We are well on the way to becoming a police state run by Pentagon's private contractor interests.

In order to keep the ideology of *endless wars* THE POPULACE must remain afraid.

I'm not getting the warm fuzzies about my civil rights with Obama in the WH albeit I feel that we've notched down the homeland threats. The foregoing could easily revert back to POLICE STATE.


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Lagomorph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 06:37 PM
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4. I'd be willing to live without it.
America just hasn't been the same since it turned into a police state.

I would have thought it would be the first thing to go, once Obama was elected.
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Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 04:59 PM
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2. I agree completely
I am though, unaware of any attempts underway to repeal it. I seem to recall something about getting rid of parts of it but... I can't remember and I can't find it... I could be completely wrong about it.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 06:27 PM
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3. power, once achieved by any governmental jurisdiction
is almost impossible to regain by the populace

that was why it was so wrong for this POS legislation to be enacted in the first place.

The only senator to not sign on was Russ Feingold
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 06:42 PM
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5. Portions have been repealed, modified, enhanced...
It's not really one law, it's hundreds. Some make sense (background checks on HazMat drivers), other seem chilling (possibility of NSL abuse), and some provisions have been used, and then eliminated by the courts as un-Constitutional (sneak and peak).

It's evolved quite a bit.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 06:43 PM
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6. Pres. Obama: Repeal this illegal act against Americans NOW!!!
Edited on Sat Aug-22-09 06:44 PM by CountAllVotes
get off your duff and get to work and repeal this piece o'shit legislation!

ENOUGH!

:kick: RECOMMEND

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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 06:49 PM
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7. Disband the HLS boondoggle and it will be small enough to drown in a thimble full of water
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 10:27 PM
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8. You pretty much can't.
A lot of it was organizing laws that had been on the books for months, years, or decades. It systematized them, put them all in one place, and made their interpretation a bit easier.

In other words, the majority of the act repeated statutes that were already in existence, and reinstated them. It's one reason the act could be thick and prepared fairly quickly--much of the verbiage already existed as law. Repeal the act in one way, and all those laws go bye-bye, unless, of course, you want to write another act that reinstates them. Then you're really just doing a lot of work to get rid of individuals laws and the name "patriot", and that's fairly silly. Repeal the act in a different way, and suddenly you've (in theory, at least) reinstated the laws scattered throughout the US Code, and altered a bunch of details in them. That's unnecessary.

In some cases, the act added laws, some of which were unpalatable, some of which were not. Some of the laws overrode or legitimized the revision to long-standing administrative policy, and in some cases that was a good thing. Some of them have been repealed or amended.

Best to identify the pieces you don't like and work to change them, unless the urge to repeal it is rooted in symbolism, not logic. That happens, too.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 11:42 PM
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9. k i c k
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Union Yes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 12:23 AM
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10. Agree. knr
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 01:52 AM
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11. One problem with the Patriot Act, as I recall, is that it defines "terrorism"
too vaguely. It includes a broad scope of conduct. Also, the Patriot Act has been enforced selectively.
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