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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 07:22 PM
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If we aggregate ALL the money being paid to "healthcare" right now .........
.... and collect it to pay for a universal plan that covers every American, we will have money left over.

All those insurance employees will likley all still have jobs .... but in the government. Only the CEOs and such will be under-or-unemployed. Of course, they can still sell insurance to cover vanity nose and boob jobs and coverage for birthers, teabaggers, and other assorted morons who wouldn't participate in anything this president gets passed.

It

really

is

that

simple.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 07:27 PM
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1. It's simple and clear enough
to find an "unrecommend" on your post before anyone ever even replied. I recommended and sent it back to zero.

I'm sorry that there are some that allow partisan personality contests to trump issues.

If we care about health CARE, why wouldn't we back what is the best option for providing it for all?

Simple
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 07:28 PM
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2. Tell republicans we'll have enough left over for them to have another war and they'll prolly buy it.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 08:09 PM
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3. Why we need public option at the very least.
Posted this before, but always at the end of a long thread:

The idea behind the health insurance companies was that they would create a pool of consumers to purchase health care services from providers at lower prices. Thus, insurance companies would take in relatively small monthly payments from many, many people and then negotiate low prices to purchase services from health care providers.

The problem is that, in reality, to create a pool of subscribers large enough to leverage good price deals with the providers while still managing the risks, an insurance company has to get a huge percentage of market share. If a company can't get a large enough market share, it can't compete.

Thus, mega-insurance companies emerge and dominate the market. Very soon, fewer and fewer companies are in the market and before long there is no or very little competition.

And without competition, there is no incentive for insurance companies to negotiate effectively with providers (such as pharmaceuticals), and a huge temptation for insurance companies to switch from competing in terms of offering lower prices to competing in terms of amassing huge profits and paying management huge salaries.

So, inherent in the whole idea of health insurance is the incentive to
1) create a huge pool of subscribers
2) get a monopoly or dominating share in the industry and thus abolish and avoid competition
3) take profits rather than give lower prices.

Thus, a monopoly on the health care insurance business is probably the only way to insure that people get good health care for a reasonable amount of money. In the health care sector, private companies can't work. They will always seek to grow, grow, grow in order to maximize profits. They will always deny care in order to maximize profits. They will eat each other up. They will spit out the lives of their customers.

How do those who oppose a public option or a government-run single payer plan hope to circumvent these facts of business life.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 09:19 PM
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4. That ought to be a thread unto itself. I'd K&R it in a heartbeat.
Well said.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 12:52 AM
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8. I will make it into a thread.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 08:05 PM
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9. Be sure and PM me so I can K & R.
I'd love to see it on the greatest page.
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 09:21 PM
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5. Single Payer is the superior health care insurance system.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 11:39 PM
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6. We're spending TWICE as much as we would need for single payer/Medicare . . .
And, in Medicare we have a system already up and running . .. where we can

add age groups at a healthy pace for the nation!!!

Age 57 and up first -- and all children!!

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 11:48 PM
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7. You are right. Simple is King and Queen. n/t
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