no wonder sharpton wont accept the apology

i dont think sharpton is capable of accepting an apology. after all he certainly isnt capable of issuing one. He never apologized to those falsely accused in the Tawana Brawley case of 20 years ago.

to me i dont think sharpton is capable of forgiveness or asking for forgiveness, despite his position as a reverend of G-ds word.


beside the fact the only one that has to accept Imus's apology is the Rutgers womens basketball team. If they do, Sharpton, et al should back off.

I'm sure they'll thank you.

I said IF the womens Rutgers team accepts the apology, then everyone else should back off. read what i said

to apologize--not that everyone should back off. Read your 1st post.

and Imush has offended millions of people. MSNBC is not dropping Imus because of al sharpton, but because of the millions who will be offended by Imush'es continued presence on the air.

It's time for Imus to go. Accept the apology, accept the resignation.

there is a difference...

There was just a father of one of the Rutger's women standing side-by-side with Sharpton.
I can see how you might be confused about them wanting his help.

Direct quote:

"I accept his apology, just as I want his bosses to accept his resignation," said the Rev.
Al Sharpton.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070407/ap_on_en_ot/imus_apology

Just wanted to point that out for you.

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"I accept his apology" is different than actually doing so. It is obvious to me that Sharpton hasnt really accepted it.


but that is besides the point, as the rutgers womens basketball team are the only ones that would have to accept his apology (if they so choose). as they are the ones that his remarks were directed at.

He said he accepted the apology, which I pointed out after you posted that he 'refused' to accept the apology.

Now we're into what's inside a man's mind. Care to make the same divination regarding the apology itself?

And if you deign the apology to be sincere and the acceptance thereof to be insincere, please explain how you arrive at those conlusions. Thanks.

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That's a two-way street.

He's in a know win situation with most people. If you don't believe him even if he does apologize why should he waste his time?

I'd be far more willing to think he's sincerely contrite if he wouldn't be going off about "those bastards".

Kind of hard to gain forgiveness from people when you're not smart enough to keep your mouth shut after the apology.

... accepting the blame? Or like an SUV driving Bush supporter supporting the troops.

Is it just something that is said but otherwise requires no other action?

and this is not meant as a wise ass remark at all, he's totally entitled to say whatever he wants, and SHOULD on the everlasting race issue in America, and if it did bother me I'd just change the channel or turn the TV off and think for myself...

but as a man of God, a Reverand, do you think he forgives Imus?

You have to see somehow that on the surface it doesn't appear to be so and that's the hypocrisy I could see pissing certain people off. Just my 2 cents.

I merely pointed out that he went on the record, to AP, as saying that he did accept the apology.

I think Sharp has his reasons for doing this, probably multiple reasons - but one of those reasons was concern and outrage for the Rutgers 'ballers. The team did praise Sharpton for putting public focus on the story.

And of course, it's been pointed out that Imus called his critics 'these bastards' on his radio show this morning, which could call into question whether the apology itself was completely sincere.

I'm not going to attempt to read either Imus' or Sharpton's mind here. The apology - and the acceptance of it - are both part of the public record, and all I can honestly do is accept them both at face value.

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Why is the team responsible for Sharpton? Is it because they are all black and of course as I am sure you know all black people know each other and communicate through a secret network at night.

Please, do tell your reasoning there.

but if they do then others should back off.

if the rutgers womens basketball team accepts his apology, I am fairly sure that it will not remain a secret that it will be publically known.

The slurs were both racist and sexist.

Basically, he insulted the intelligence of every man, woman, and child on this planet.

And I do not accept his lame ass and quickly withdrawn insincere non-apology.

It reminds me of when people bring up Byrd's early stint in the KKK.

As if they cared about West Virginia, or black people.

Furthermore, given that Imus just called his critics "these bastards", it seems to me that he's not terribly apologetic. And only a fool would accept his apology.

being played for a chump is quite another. Imus is not fooling anyone who is paying attention and is truly offended by his hateful diatribes.

Has Sharpton? :shrug:

Because people still bring up Byrd despite his apologies, and with the same false pretenses.

Sharpton, however, has shown that he is still playing the same games.

Racism is a game to you?

and those who tolerate it.

We have a broad group of DUers who are quick to interject when certain language crosses the line, and we have another that blows a cork over being forced to be politically correct.

The distinction between those two camps was made clearer with the Imus story.

between racist talk/jokes and politically incorrect talk/jokes.

Imus has made his career on what is not considered to be politically incorrect jokes. generally on his show the biggest target of "hate" is Imus himself as the people around him call him a wrinkled up old drunk for starters.

this is not to say that Imus's "joke" about the rutgers womens team was ok. he went over the line with that one. but to ruin the mans career over it is overkill

if you think Imus should be fired and out of the public for it, then I hope that you also think that Jesse Jackson should be forever out of the public as well for his "hymietown" comments, which were not an attempt at a joke.

"the biggest target of "hate" is Imus himself" not really. Generally his two buddies do all the heavy lifting on the racist/sexist/homophobic hate-speech. They have an act you know, a little game they run, where the wrinkled old drunk usually avoids saying the really nasty stuff. But it is a scripted act, and the trick is to keep Imus in a state of deniability where he can just pretend it was his two sidekicks and not him. This time he stepped right through that door with his buddies and got slammed for it. Oh well....

The good news is that there will now be that much less hate radio to contend with. It's a start.

We have always had a diverse board and I don't think I have seen a single thread where everybody agreed and I admit I have done a turnaround on some of the posts...

I believe most agree Imus said a major bad thing and what comes around goes around... What the difference is, and seems to continue to be, is how much he should suffer because of this comment...

We have a group calling for his head and anything else that can be hurt... We have another who thinks an apology is enough, what's the big deal? And we have the others do it, so why Imus group...

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, like it or not, but I am seeing the word Racist thrown around this forum like a beach ball and that bothers me as well... Some too quick to put that word on another poster all because that poster does not agree with how the issue should be handled.

Respect starts within one's self then spreads to others.. Let us all remember that...

I'm glad someone is as annoyed at seeing the *you must be a racist if you don't agree with me* crap.

The television show HBO's Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel showed a 1983 FBI videotape in which Al Sharpton is seen talking about laundering drug money with former mobster Michael Franzese, a Mafioso-turned-undercover-FBI informant posing as a cocaine dealer.

Sharpton got into this mess through his friendship with boxing promoter Don King, a longtime friend of his. Franzese, a former Colombo family captain, alleges that a South American drug dealer looking to launder money through boxing promotions approached him. According to Franzese,Sharpton was going to arrange a meeting between the dealer and King.

Sharpton sued HBO for defamation and asked for $1 billion in damages. (As if he had a billion dollar reputation before the tape aired.) HBO Sports spokesman Ray Stallone described the suit as "so silly that it is unworthy of comment." Nothing has come of it since it was filed.

Sharpton made his name and his fame as the one to lead a protest movement after every racially charged incident in New York over the last 30 years (and many elsewhere in the U.S.) Especially early in his career, he seemed content and even eager to inflame racial hatreds at the risk of violence, as long as it gave him publicity and power.

Several of these protests escalated to the point of violence, in several cases by those who Sharpton championed. Examples include the Crown Heights riot of 1991, and a 1995 arson attack on a Jewish Harlem jeweler that resulted in 8 deaths. That attack came months after Sharpton made remarks about the "white interloper".

Broadcasting & Cable; 7/29/2002, Vol. 132 Issue 31, p26

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For running sting/entrapment operations against prominent African Americans? That didn't even yield an indictment?

I'd suggest you try visiting a church that doesn't have the Mighty Wurlitzer in its organ pit.

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I'll mention only that when the team was asked about Rev. Al, one of the players praised his efforts. She didn't mention the Brawley case, possibly because it doesn't have a goddamn thing to do with this.

in fact i think it needs to increase. given his own history of sparking race riots in crown heights, the tawana brawley incident, etc. and the fact that he never once apologized for them, I think we need to take a look at the man who is leading the charge to get rid of imus.

This is NOT about rappers.
This is NOT really about P.C.

THIS is about what Americans wish to hear on their airwaves. Imus was Big Game, but low hanging fruit. I hope Glenn Beck is the next to go and THEN... your own pus-filled Mr Creosote. BATTEN DOWN THE HATCHES!!!! VACCINATIONS FOR ALL FREE OF CHARGE!!! :-)

then why is sharpton on the air? why is jesse jackson given any airtime on TV?

Tschüß!! :hi:

Sharp may be getting his fair share of publicity out of this whole episode, I'll grant you that. But he is not what caused Imus to be dropped from MSNBC.

Much has been made about the fact that Limbaugh and Beck and Hannity and O'Reilly and Savage say worse things, and they're still on the radio spewing hate (it should be pointed out that as of this moment, Imus is too - although that may be subject to change). Now... why do you think all of these other hate-mongers are on the air while Imus is getting lambasted?

It's actually very simple. It's because their advertisers are not seeing a downside to buying spots on those shows.

In Imus' case, GM pulled its advertising, as did Geico and American Express. MSNBC looked at that and saw potential losses of millions of dollars a year, and acted exactly the way you'd expect a corporation to act. They cut their losses in order to preserve their bottom line.

Think of how many petitions have been signed, how many protests have been waged, how much outrage has been directed towards Limbaugh over the years. Yet he remains untouchable, and it's only because advertisers (with few exceptions) have seen no good reason to pull ads from his show. In the wake of the Imus episode, this may be subject to change. One can only hope.

But the fact of the matter is this - if GM or Geico or AmEx decided that this whole thing was no big deal, Imus would still be doing the MSNBC show today. That they saw a threat to their bottom line is the real reason that Imus got shown the door.

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"She didn't mention the Brawley case,possibly because it doesn't have a goddamn thing to do with this."

Or perhaps she doesn't know about the Brawley case, after all it did take place 20 years ago, and
with a few exceptions it has been forgotten by most people.

"The case still hangs over Sharpton, particularly following his entry into mainstream politics (his race for the 2004 Democratic Presidential nomination involved his addressing the convention from its podium), not merely because he defended Brawley's story but for the unfounded accusations he leveled, and, according to some of his critics, his "playing the race card".

Under the wing of Sharpton, Maddox, and Mason, a full-fledged media sensation was born. The three claimed that the entire case was a coverup going all the way up to the state government. They named New York prosecutor Steven Pagones specifically, calling him a racist and a rapist, among other accusations.

Sharpton has never apologized to Pagones for naming him a perpetrator."

Does this excuse Imus, not by a longshot, but perhaps Reverend Sharpton isn't the person to be carrying this banner considering his own past, and his inability to apologize for calling a white man a racist and a rapist.

has Rove's fingerprints on it. It's the typical look over there while I commit crimes tactic Rove practices.
There are people spewing bigoted bile all over the place. Coulter, Limbaugh, Savage, et al, have been doing it for years. Imus got thrown under the bus because he has been highly critical of the war criminals in the White House.
Sharpton isn't the one owed an apology. He should be thanking Imus for all the media face time he wouldn't have gotten otherwise. We piss away our energy and resources on this crap while the Administration commits crimes against humanity in our names.

The outrage started in the Black community and was shared by many people inside MSNBC including Keith Obermann. KKKarl Rove may exert a lot of power to make bad things happen to good people, but he doesn't own the world. Imus' correct comments on Bushco don't exonerate his consistent race-based slurs.

I'm just pointing out he's not a saint. I think MSNBC was right to can the Imus show. First, it was just plain boring to watch a radio show on teevee. Second, I've followed Imus' career for more than 30 years, and he has a LONG history of this kind of stuff. His show did not belong on an alleged 'news channel.' I hope CBS decides to keep the show on radio, but the person that should be FIRED is Bernie, Imus' producer. He is the biggest trash talker on the show, and it's technically his responsibility to maintain some sort of order.

When I worked in the music biz, I used to go to a label office on Broadway, and I'd end up eating lunch in a restaurant where Sharp ate every day. I'd say hello and make small talk with him - a very gregarious man, funny and engaging. And boy, could he eat - but that's another story. :)

As for Brawley, he really did screw up on that one - but he eventually had to shell out over $345K to Steven Pagones for damage to Pagones' reputation, so the episode was not without consequences for him.

And I think if WFAN and CBS decide to keep Imus on, McGuirk will be gone and a new 'executive producer' will take his place. McGuirk is one hateful sumbitch, and if anyone should be gone from radio forever, it should be him. Having said that, he'll get a gig with Fox minutes after the FAN lets him go.

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Al Sharpton strikes me as a self-righteous jerk. He is a "racialist" to use the British term for racial demagogues.

However, that doesn't make him wrong about Don Imus, who for years has slung nasty epithets at Jews, gays and lesbians, Arabs and most commonly, Africans and Blacks. I love all kinds of radio from Howard Stern and Stephanie Miller to Tom Joyner. But Imus was (and is) an insufferable bore. Great radio hosts make themselves the butt of their humor. Imus may have made himself the butt, but there was never any humor.

I found his stock-in-trade of leering, knee-jerk racial slurs accompanied by ridiculous self-important banter condescending. He was often contemptuous of his audience. An offensive joke should first be FUNNNNY, but his stuff never is.

I think he had it coming. He's just a drive-by asshole. Good riddance.

The Rutgers team will be on Oprah today and they are probably writing the script for the Lifetime movies as we speak. We should all just say the truth out loud. It is alright for black people to call each other these names, but it is not alright for whites to do it. Double standard. Both sides should be called out on it. Plain and simple. Sharpton is a self gratifying idiot who has made a nice living on the backs of blacks. He is on the airwaves flapping his lips and raking in the donations so he can pay for his big house, limo and private plane. And before anyone flames me for my thoughts, I am a black female expressing my opinion. No one will change anything after Imus is long gone. I would rather see him repentant and to remain at least on the radio with a changed heart and a change radio program format. Now we will never know what healing looks like. Again.

airwaves, it is about corporate responsibility.

sad to see so many of the Left viewing him the same way.

will notice that most of the folks offering their strong opinions on the subject of racist and sexist remarks are neither black or female.

zzzzzzzz.....

why would anyone think that means he's going to let the issue fall from the news? The last time he got this much press was at the start of the Duke rape situation. Now everyone is talking about presidential hopefuls and Barak Obama. Rev. Sharpton, IMHO, is flexing his political muscle to remind the all the candidates that he's someone you want to have on your side if you're going to run for president.

to secure the black vote. So of course he's running with this--he might even be planning to make a bid for Imus' slot!

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