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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 07:28 PM
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Reich -Why the Gang of Six is Deciding Health Care for Three Hundred Million of Us

Friday, August 21, 2009
Robert Reich's Blog
http://robertreich.blogspot.com/2009/08/why-gang-of-six-is-deciding-health-care.html

Last night, the so-called "gang of six" -- three Republican and three Democratic senators on the Senate Finance Committee -- met by conference call and, according to Senator Max Baucus, the committee's chair, reaffirmed their commitment "toward a bipartisan health-care reform bill" (read: less coverage and no public insurance option). The Washington Post reports that the senators shared tales from their home states, where some have been besieged by protesters angry about a potential government takeover of the nation's health care system.

It's come down to these six senators. The House has reported a bill as has another Senate committee, but all eyes are fixed on Senate Finance -- and on these three Dems and three Republicans, in particular. But who, exactly, anointed these six to decide the fate of the nation's health care?

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It's not even as if the gang represents America. The three Dems on the gang are from Montana, New Mexico, and North Dakota -- states that together account for just over 1 percent of Americans. The three Republicans are from Maine, Wyoming, and Iowa, which together account for 1.6 percent of the American population.

So, I repeat: Why has it come down to these six? Who anointed them? Apparently, the White House. At least that's what I'm repeatedly being told by sources both on the Hill and in the Administration. "The Finance Committee is where the action is. They'll tee-up the final bill," says someone who should know.

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http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_08/019581.php
The Political Animal
Steve Benen August 21,2009
GANG OF SIX LOOKING FOR SCISSORS

For most of the early summer, the political world waited on six members of the Senate Finance Committee -- centrists and center-right members from rural states -- to approve a bill. They couldn't. Members wanted more time, and got more time. It didn't matter. Hopes that the Senate might pass a measure before the August recess were dashed because the so-called Gang of Six wanted to negotiate some more.

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Late yesterday, the Gang of Six managed to connect over the phone. They reportedly raised the idea of moving the reform legislation even further to the right.

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At the risk of beating a dead horse, note that the only reason to "rein in the scope" of reform, and try to make the efforts much cheaper, would be to satisfy the demands of conservative Republicans -- the conservative Republicans who oppose health care reform, and who intend to vote against the bill anyway.


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I'd like to use Robert Reich's comment "The Finance Committee is where the action is " to segue into this OP of mine in GDP specifically about that very issue.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8605684

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Here are the major take aways:

The Senate Finance Committee is where the action is

Max Baucus has been the go-to person for negotiating with both the drug and the hospital industries at the behest of the White House

The Senate Finance Committee has been effectively reduced to six members - 3 Dems and 3 Repubs described above as "centrists and center right members from rural states" apparently at the behest of the White House

Every single item I have posted is recent and from a credible source - The New York Times, The Washington Monthly, and Robert Reich.

Taken in totality - they paint an extremely bleak picture of what the White House has actually been working toward in terms of real healthcare reform.

If we get a public option, if we get drug negotiation, if we get anything approaching universal coverage, if we get ANYTHING that is more than RomneyCare, it will be due to the efforts of the Progressive caucus in the House.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 07:32 PM
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1. awful
:(
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 07:32 PM
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2. Fascism: The marriage of government and business
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 07:33 PM
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3. The WH picked this gang?? So 2.6% of us could be represented?
How ridiculous!
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 07:36 PM
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4. If you and Reich are correct, what do you suggest we do about it?
Serious question.

:shrug:
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 07:43 PM
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5. Include the entire committee, not just those six...
Edited on Sat Aug-22-09 07:46 PM by polichick
Kerry, Rockefeller and Stabenow are on that committee.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 07:48 PM
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6. I think a Health march on Washington on Sept. 13 is a darn good beginning
How angry will we all be if this moment in time when the vast majority of the American people was, is, and will be for REFORM passes us by yet again so that a Washington gravy train won't miss any stops?

Channel that anger positively and prematurely. Become re-invigorated in knowing that just like in the election -

*This is war

*This involves matters of life and death

*We must fight and be vocal about what we want

Not to be corny, but in fact WE ARE THE CHANGE.

It won't happen TO us, it won't happen FOR us, it will happen BECAUSE of us.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 07:50 PM
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8. Better To Have One in Each Major City
It's a bitch for us with jobs and kids to go to DC.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 07:49 PM
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7. Vote For Dean in 2012
Or some other *actual* Democrat. Or a third party.

These fuckers can keep doing this to us because they know that we'll always vote for an incumbent Democrat.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 07:51 PM
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9. I'd rather focus and have success in 2008. nt
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 07:55 PM
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12. I Would Too - But What To Do?
These fuckers are just laughing in our faces. The bankers get $13 trillion in loan guarantees and lunch at the White House. The rest of us get finger-wagging lectures and pretend health care reform that consists of subsidies to insurers.

We don't need this garbage at all.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 07:52 PM
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10. I won't be surprised if Dean runs, if not in 2012, then 2016, nt
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 07:52 PM
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11. 300,000 million people should send their healthcare bills to the Gang of 6
they might get the message if there was a mountain of healthcare bills on their doorsteps?
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 08:42 PM
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14. Your idea is good. This would be something all of us could do. However
find some way that those of us on Medicare and Medicaid can participate. I do not really have any bills thanks to a good government run health care program.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 08:08 PM
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13. I am so sick of this friggin crap!
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 08:43 PM
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15. Me too! I thought I could rest easy and sleep in the back seat
and trust that I would wake up in the right destination in the morning with the Dems at the wheel.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 09:28 PM
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21. LOL I didn't think it would be _that_ easy, but I also didn't expect to have to keep
gluing the map back together so we can figure out where we wanted to go in the first place.
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 08:44 PM
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16. Pelosi says anything that passes in the house must have the public option
so it is possible to put it back in during reconciliation.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 08:46 PM
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18. Well, like I said, I am pretty much depending on the House at this point
Pelosi and the Congressional Dems have a chance to really step it up and save the day for the American taxpayers.
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 08:46 PM
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17. Obama likes to test parameters of policy, see what can be done. May have been an honest effort by
admin to see what was possible-since that bi-partisan is always better. GOP will be out saying they tried, they ideas, yada, yada.

Not convinced that we are now is anything where we'll be. Those deals were not in good faith, lobbyists spending, etc, push back on public option (which agreement to was to be part of the deal, I'd heard. Rumor?
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:43 AM
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22. I'm not sure what you mean when you say "those deals were not in good faith?"
I think I also understand you to say you'd heard a rumor that no public option was part of the deal. I guess you are saying that is in addition to the part about no drug negotiation?

Well, Daschle did say that President Obama "put everything on the table". Maybe he did.
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:33 AM
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23. No public option to be part of the deal, and industry not acting in good faith since whatever deal.
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Ghost of Tom Joad Donating Member (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 08:52 PM
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19. Not Truly Representative
in our local paper to day by Waldo Proffitt

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20090822/COLUMNIST/908221011/2312/OPINION?Title=Not-truly-representative

are people starting to wake up to the idea that so few are deciding for so many?
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 08:55 PM
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20. I'd like to see about 100,000 people go into their offices and tear the place apart.
They need to see the power of the mob that they are fucking with.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:34 AM
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24. kick
nt
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:44 AM
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25. Gang of 6 from states with populations totalling 8.5 million.
About 3% of the country represented.

:grr:
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:50 AM
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26. Matt Taibbi's article in the current Rolling Stone
lays it out. The goal isn't health care for all at a reasonable cost. The goal is preserve the status quo, which in this case, will lead to health care being more expensive with the majority of those 47 million still uninsured. Taibbi calls Baucus "One of the biggest insurance-company whores in US history" and the so-called Gang of 6 a cadre of saboteurs whose mission is to aim low, gut the public option, pack it with loopholes, provide no leadership, and blow the math.

This is must reading and confirms everything Reich is saying and more.
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