"Universal health care 'ungodly' " - LTTE

I just read this ltte... Whooosh!!!

Sunday, Aug. 23, 2009
Universal health care 'ungodly'

As a Christian, I'm getting tired of Democrats and those supporting universal health care coverage using Jesus and Scripture to support their own agenda. "Shouldn't you be helping your brother in need?" Yes, but they're missing the point. Jesus wasn't interested in making sure humans lived a few years longer. He wanted us to show love to each other so that others can come to know and love God. For instance, when a strung-out family member needed help, we supported her and showed her the love of Jesus. Now she has a beautiful relationship with God and is living a far better life. And we continue to help her.

How does raising my taxes to pay for some stranger's health benefits bring them closer to God? It doesn't. It makes them dependent on a government bent on wielding more power over its citizens. That, quite simply, is ungodly.




:freak:

I have read that in different forms in some of their newspapers and web sites and LTTEs from time to time... that some people suffer diseases and can't get health care for them and it's just "God's will." It's such bullshit yet they use it over and over again to oppose expansion of health care.

but now we have evolved...well some of have

Yep. Some have.

:hi:

Looks beautiful and treacherous at the same time.

what if the strung out person does not have a family to support him or her?

are they somehow less valuable in the eyes of God?


this person is a heretic (IMO)

Because people without insurance go to emergency rooms and the cost is exorbitantly higher than to them than it would be under a public option. And their taxes wouldn't go up probably at all unless they were making over 250 thousand a year, and if by some reason they did go up, it wouldn't be nearly as high as the money they pay out of pocket for insurance premiums now. Unless they get Medicare, which in that case, this person can just go eff themselves because everybody else pays for their health care and they themselves are dependent on government and are, therefore, ungodly. But I am sure this person will opt out of Medicare according to their own principles now or in the future when they get it.

And just who would Jesus deny health care to?

That's not him.

And while we're at it

the people who say this kind of shit should rot in their own personal hell...

and i`m a believer in christ`s words and it`s sunday...

:hi:

Think about it: is there any evidence in the Bible of Jeebus trying to inspire those who have enough to help those who have little or nothing? Did J.C. ever urge us to heal the sick, take care of the downtrodden, give a cup of water to the thirsty, or lend a hand to those in need?

Matthew 19:21

Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

I guess not because the way it looks to me, he said something along the lines of sucking the poor and downtrodden until they are empty shells and stepping over them in the gutter.

My favourite one is Proverbs 23:2 and I would love to quote it to John Hagee in a public forum:

...and put a knife to your throat if you are given to gluttony.

That's the only conclusion that can be drawn from this shining example of Christian sentiment.

Yeah right. Who says strung out anymore? Probably were shooting up pot!
Idiots that try and use drug analogy's that have no clue.

I have never written a LTTE but I could respond to this one

http://www.modbee.com/opinion/


Yeh, it is the middle of the valley in California. I have seen a mixture of letters through that paper. But this one... it takes the cake.

This is about reality, not theological bullshit. Ones religious rules do not apply to those outside of ones religion. Sorry that religion took advantage of the writer's strung-out family member to put its hooks in her when she was vulnerable to it.

Anyone that starts a conversation, or a sentence with that preface gets a simple response from me...

Go fuck yourself...

I'm not a real big fan of Christians.
Or Jesus for that matter.

people who will dismiss others because of a "preface" or a "label" (self imposed or otherwise)
make me sad.

And i tell you that because I don't dismiss or tell people to go fuck themselves easily.

Which means making the effort to reach out is all the more important.


:hi:

i'm "blu"- and i think the letter quoted in the OP is written by someone who is very confused, and who is trying to justify being selfish behind a twisted but very common view of Christ's message and teachings.

I'm fine with you not being a fan of "Christ'ians"- i admit i'm often not very fond of many of the people who hide behind that word too.

peace~

heal the sick and that we should treat everyone we meet as we would Him.

Maybe I'm mistaken in my belief? :shrug:

"No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth." Matthew 6:24


I would only remind these Mammon-serving pseudo-Christians out there (and you know who you are!), that "...Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me." Matthew 25:40

So all that scripture about moneylenders, the Pharisees, and such doesn't apply.

They only believe what some RW Evangelical Televangelist has told them it says.

Jesus helped the poor and the sick, specifically. They don't want any part of that -- their self-awarded "Christian" titles should be revoked.

Pastor Steven L. Anderson of Faith Baptist Church, the man who prays for Obama's death and capital punishment for homosexuality, has stated that George W. Bush is a liberal.
Hear his "Christian" sermon here: http://faithfulwordbaptist.org/050706p.mp3

How does allowing an industry; having nothing to do with health care, to profit from the American People's illness and injury bring the people closer to God? It doesn't. It does make the American Peoples' supposed representative government more dependent on corporate power via lobbying/bribery. Those corporations; are bent on wielding power over the citizens but they think don't of us as citizens, to them we're just customers or consumers to be sold a product, candidate or down the river.

If there is a God, the current system must be unGodly.

Thanks for the thread, Kadie.

people healthy? That should be our "meme".

Brakes on......skids to stop. Interesting that wasn't the tact they took with Terri Schiavo.

“Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s”, in other words pay your taxes.

though in my mind your words convey it better than the cartoon.

the phrase " I never knew you..." comes to mind-

he helped Lazarus live a few years longer.

The great commie.

You know.... death being a "pre-existing condition" and all, he's ineligible for the ChristCare plan.

Matthew 25:31. But I guess this guy never read that part.

:shrug:

That conflicts with their shallow interpretation of their own religion.

prolong anyone's life.

What a bunch of crap.

LOVE.

What kind of love sees a brother in need and turns away?

Did Jesus heal the man at the pool of Bethesda to "bring him closer to God" ? or because the man needed healing?

"Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress" (James 1:27)."

What does God require of you? asks the 'bible' "..to do justly, To love mercy, And to walk humbly with your God?"
(Mic 6:8)

As someone who calls themself a "Christ'ian what about your requirement according to this:




the hypocrisy is everywhere- but that doesn't mean Jesus' message doesn't apply.

Love one another, as He loved- willing to lay down your life for each other.

Walk your talk.

:grouphug:

Good Jesus and Greedy, Hateful Jesus. What do you want to bet that letter writer wants to preserve each and every embryo, no matter the cost.

I will have to try and track down the U tube done of Al Franken's Supply Side Jesus, but damn if this doesn't sound like that warning fable!

only for him, it's about money AND abortion.

Well, that'd be news to Lazarus.

:mad:

He spent a lot of his time doing just that.

Why do so many Christians seem to know so little of their own God?

:eyes:


This Canadian with universal healthcare totally happy to "pay for some stranger's health benefits" says fuck yourself, you greedy anti-Jesus fuckface.


The religious right; even dumber than rightwingnuts, the dumbest MFers on the planet.

corporations wielding more power over you?" "At least you can vote out the government, good luck voting out the CEO of United Health Care.".

love your neighbor as yourslef?? or maybe not. Screw your neighbor!! that's more "godly" evidently. I wonder if I could ask this twit how this stranger was to get help with a catastrophic illness if he/she had no health care, what the twit's answer would be? Wouldn't God want someone to help the ill stranger? Wouldn't that be Godly? Does the twit think that Jesus or God would care HOW he/she helped the stranger?