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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 02:44 PM Original message |
"..an Armed Citizenry is Not the Basis for our Freedoms. .... |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
1. If I remember correctly... |
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Pangolin2 (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 02:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. And so were the drug-control laws. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 01:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
52. Yep. It's been a political leveraging tool all along. another phony "war." |
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Pangolin2 (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
2. There seems to be a lot of hysteria over a few incidents that have resulted in zero |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 03:07 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. you seem to have missed the entire point of the article- |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 05:20 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. Er... Bill Clinton's administration created the "free speech zones". n/t |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. yes,but were they EVER utilized by him?- except to allow |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 08:16 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. I don't know who made the decisions, but yes, although certainly not to the degree that |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 08:28 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. the late 80's? can't blame Bill for them then Greyhound- |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 10:35 PM Response to Reply #2 |
31. I always wonder what age people who make this argument are. Violence is as American as apple pie |
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AlinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
3. Very good editorial. NRA president said "whoever has the guns wins" at a speech to the NRA several |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Wayne LaPierre doesn't speak for me |
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AlinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 02:57 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Good. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. I'm glad you say that- |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 11:45 PM Response to Reply #3 |
35. I googled "whoever has the guns wins" with LaPierre and with NRA and nothing popped up |
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snake in the grass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 01:52 PM Response to Reply #35 |
53. The quote is not accurate which maybe explains why you couldn't find it. |
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Lagomorph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
7. Yet if we can't draw the line... |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 03:36 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. you are twisting this to attempt to fit something that |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 04:54 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. See Robert F Williams.. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 05:12 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. I'm well aware of those who mixed violence |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 10:39 PM Response to Reply #15 |
32. And you realize |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 12:11 AM Response to Reply #32 |
37. I do realize that- but the fact that those who ARE bringing weapons |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 05:33 AM Response to Reply #37 |
44. I believe they are having an effect because |
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Lagomorph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 02:07 AM Response to Reply #11 |
41. Look at my Avatar. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
10. "..an Armed Citizenry is Not the Basis for our Freedoms. ...." |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 03:52 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. NO- take a minute and really think about |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. Shay's rebellion, the Whiskey Insurrection, over 250 documented slave rebellions, |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 05:54 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. the examples you are giving |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 08:29 PM Original message |
How many successes are on that list? n/t |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 11:01 PM Response to Reply #12 |
33. There has been an escalating |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 11:05 PM Response to Reply #10 |
34. Not true at all. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
13. to those who neg. rec. could you explain why? |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
17. I will show up with my six-gun strapped to my hip... |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 05:37 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. your right supercedes mine then? |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 05:54 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Oh, did I need one of those? |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 06:04 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. sorry Kentuck- |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 08:29 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. If You Have Over 49,000 Posts Here At DU..... |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 10:30 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. delete |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 10:30 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. I am probably one of the more heavily armed DUers... |
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backwoodsbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 02:30 AM Response to Reply #30 |
43. yeah you're right |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 09:48 AM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Yeah, I don't have any automatic or semi-automatic weapons... |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-25-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #48 |
60. What is the makarov? |
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Biker13 (609 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 02:11 PM Response to Reply #20 |
54. Why? |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 10:26 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. nice try- |
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Biker13 (609 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-25-09 09:51 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Oops.. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-25-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. no problem- none |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 08:32 PM Response to Original message |
27. Indeed it is not. The most essential feature of a state |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-23-09 09:54 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. that is a very good point- |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 12:10 AM Response to Original message |
36. moral consensus? hardly. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 12:16 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. did you take the time to read the editorial? |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 12:36 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Yes, I did. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 10:48 PM Response to Reply #39 |
56. are you seriously trying to make this into a 'good thing'? |
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davepc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 01:11 AM Response to Original message |
40. How'd that 'moral consensus' work out for the protestors in Iran? |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 09:41 AM Response to Reply #40 |
47. And if they had had guns |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 02:19 AM Response to Original message |
42. Considering that most every other western nation is freer- often MUCH freer than America |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 05:39 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. How about some examples of |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 01:02 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Start with incarceration rates- continue on with health care |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 05:43 AM Response to Original message |
46. The real basis for our Freedom |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
50. Guns are one way we could protect our freedoms... |
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Xenotime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
51. Shouting down speaks is un american |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 10:59 PM Response to Original message |
57. A free people base their govt on getting an oath from an individual |
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