I have a new one. Someone told me today that Obama

said, something to the effect, about giving an elderly sick person a pill to hasten their death. They proceeded to tell me they saw it on a TV clip. I was wondering what clip from what and what was it taken out of context from so I can show them they are being had. I presume this was on Fox. I don't monitor Fox and no one in my immediate family will watch it, so I don't know the source. Any help will be appreciated.

Or we'll come to your house and make you take it!

It's still a fucking lie!

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And BTW, I'm not mad at you!

I'm mad at people who spread lies like that one...

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What a fucken hoot!

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great to be here!

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protester holding a sign about Ted Kennedy and it said something about him taking a pill. I assumed when I saw it that it was a reference to euthanasia. My guess is either Fox or FR as a aource.

ETA: here it is

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=8603476

(not sure what this guy's blog is really about, but it refers to a comment Obama made on ABC about pain killers for an elderly woman...maybe that's where this person you were talking about got their misinformation)

http://covertrationingblog.com/

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He described their function, how they would operate, and who they would target. During the past 6 months President Obama has actually offered several short discussions on what a “death panel” might be expected to accomplish. But perhaps the most instructive example is the one he gave on ABC television during his June 24 National Town Hall meeting.

DrRich refers, of course, to the famous question about the 100-year-old woman who received a pacemaker. The questioner pointed out that her grandmother had badly needed a pacemaker, but had been turned down by a doctor because of her age. A second doctor, noting the patient’s alertness, zest for life, and generally youthful “spirit,” inserted the pacemaker despite her advanced age. Her symptoms resolved, and Grandma continues to do well 5 years later. The question for the President was: Under an Obama healthcare system, will an elderly person’s general state of health, and her “spirit,” be taken into account when making medical decisions - or will these decisions be made according to age only?

President Obama’s answer was clear. It is really not feasible, he indicated, to take “spirit” into account. We are going to make medical decisions based on objective evidence, and not subjective impressions. If the evidence shows that some form of treatment “is not necessarily going to improve care, then at least we can let the doctors know that - you know what? - maybe this isn’t going to help; maybe you’re better off not having the surgery, but taking the pain pill.”

(DrRich will give President Obama the benefit of the doubt regarding his suggestion that a 100-year-old women who needs a pacemaker might be better off with a pain pill. Despite the way he is portrayed on the cover of Time Magazine, Mr. Obama is not actually a doctor, and cannot be expected to understand that using a “pain pill” to treat an elderly woman who is lightheaded, dizzy, weak and possibly syncopal because of a slow heart rate might justifiably be considered a form of euthanasia rather than comfort care. DrRich does not believe the President was intentionally suggesting the old woman’s death should be actively hastened by means of a pain pill. At the same time, DrRich’s advice to this still-spry 105-year-old Grandma is: since pacemakers usually need to be replaced every 6 - 7 years, you’d better think about having your 5-year-old pacemaker replaced right now, before the Obama plan has a chance to become law.)

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So, according to the President, we will have an omnipotent “panel,” acting at a distance and without any specific knowledge of particular cases, that will tell a doctor whether he/she can offer a particular therapy to a particular patient - or whether, instead, to offer a “pain pill.” His description of this process, offered with variations over the past several months in several venues, has obviously made quite an impression among the people. Of course, Mr. Obama is widely known to be a gifted communicator.

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This person is elderly. So I was figuring Fox or something.

On edit, it is likely sources such as Fox and right wing hate talk radio that have re-interpreted Obama's remarks from his comments on ABC, as they are so prone to do

Free and unlimited vodka. It's cheaper than any doctor. Obama is a cheapskate.

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If they're going to be that dumb we might as well have some fun with it.

Gee. You'd think we all re-registered Republican. :crazy:

....by the pharmaceutical companies. Like medication that "helps" your heart, but kills your kidneys, for example.

be just like the current private for profit health insurance is now? Cost and all.

Say "show me, don't just repeat something you heard." My new favorite is "How long have you been working for the healthcare industry? That's who's bidding you are doing."