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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:26 PM
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Paul Krugman: All the President’s Zombies
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/24/opinion/24krugman.html?_r=1

The debate over the “public option” in health care has been dismaying in many ways. Perhaps the most depressing aspect for progressives, however, has been the extent to which opponents of greater choice in health care have gained traction — in Congress, if not with the broader public — simply by repeating, over and over again, that the public option would be, horrors, a government program.

Washington, it seems, is still ruled by Reaganism — by an ideology that says government intervention is always bad, and leaving the private sector to its own devices is always good.

Call me naïve, but I actually hoped that the failure of Reaganism in practice would kill it. It turns out, however, to be a zombie doctrine: even though it should be dead, it keeps on coming.

Let’s talk for a moment about why the age of Reagan should be over.

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DLnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:13 AM
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1. One of his better ones, I would say.
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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:19 AM
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2. 28 Years Later
I always knew Harry Reid was a stock character from a horror movie. The dim bulb who says "Let's trust the zombies. They won't hurt us."

Zombies never die.

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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:39 AM
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3. Reid is not even mentioned in the article, so I don't know why you mention him
I would guess that you are bored. It's summer, go have some fun.
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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 09:59 AM
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4. Reid trusts Reaganism more than any other Democrat.
And your stab at condecension puts you on the same loser hook. Stop reading my reply and get laid, my sorry friend.
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:22 AM
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5. Got a link
:shrug: You make outlandish claims with nothing to back them up.
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MajorChode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:36 AM
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7. You can either support your assertions, or you can't
So far, you've chosen the later.

Reid voted NO on the Bush tax cuts. There were 3 Democratic Party Senators who voted in favor of them.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00118

I can't think of too many more things that are more Raygunomic in recent memory. So do you have anything that approaches reality that can back up your claims, or is ad hominem your only card?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:07 PM
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MajorChode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 02:01 AM
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9. Yep, ad hominem is your only card
And you'd think that since it's your only specialty, you wouldn't suck at it. Personal attacks and accusations of freepery and sock puppetry are verboten here on DU. So don't spend too much effort redoubling your efforts. I doubt you're going to last long here. If you think I'm a sock puppet or freeper, then alert on me and see how far you get with that. Otherwise STFU unless you have a strong desire to earn a tombstone (which may be the case).

As far as what I can "come up with". It was all I needed to prove your assertion that "Reid trusts Reaganism more than any other Democrat" was complete bullshit. It's not about defending Reid, it's about your credibility, which you sorely lack. If you weren't so busy imagining all your detractors are sock puppets, you might realize you're sorely lacking in that department, but those who rely on nothing but ad hominem seldom do.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 06:03 AM
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10. I just put the Alaskan and the Texan on my "buddy list"
:hi: MajorChode
:hi: WinterBlues

...and ordered a tombstone for you.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:30 AM
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6. LOL. I thought last week Krugman was saying no public option was no big deal.
I guess Krugman was in his "globalist shill" mode last week. Is he back to his "populist man of the people" phase this week? :shrug:

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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 08:38 AM
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11. He thinks a public option is important
From a week ago:

So where does Obamacare fit into all this? Basically, it’s a plan to Swissify America, using regulation and subsidies to ensure universal coverage.

If we were starting from scratch we probably wouldn’t have chosen this route. True “socialized medicine” would undoubtedly cost less, and a straightforward extension of Medicare-type coverage to all Americans would probably be cheaper than a Swiss-style system. That’s why I and others believe that a true public option competing with private insurers is extremely important: otherwise, rising costs could all too easily undermine the whole effort.

But a Swiss-style system of universal coverage would be a vast improvement on what we have now. And we already know that such systems work.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/17/opinion/17krugman.html


And a few days after that:

One purpose of the public option is to save money. Experience with Medicare suggests that a government-run plan would have lower costs than private insurers; in addition, it would introduce more competition and keep premiums down.

And let’s be clear: the supposed alternative, nonprofit co-ops, is a sham. That’s not just my opinion; it’s what the market says: stocks of health insurance companies soared on news that the Gang of Six senators trying to negotiate a bipartisan approach to health reform were dropping the public plan. Clearly, investors believe that co-ops would offer little real competition to private insurers.

Also, and importantly, the public option offered a way to reconcile differing views among Democrats. Until the idea of the public option came along, a significant faction within the party rejected anything short of true single-payer, Medicare-for-all reform, viewing anything less as perpetuating the flaws of our current system. The public option, which would force insurance companies to prove their usefulness or fade away, settled some of those qualms.

That said, it’s possible to have universal coverage without a public option — several European nations do it — and some who want a public option might be willing to forgo it if they had confidence in the overall health care strategy. Unfortunately, the president’s behavior in office has undermined that confidence.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/21/opinion/21krugman.html
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 08:40 AM
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12. Last week, Krugman wrote an informative piece about the "Swiss Model". He's been pretty consistent
And this doesn't seem at odds with anything he's ever expressed regarding his own personal preferences.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 11:09 AM
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13. He praised the Public Option bereft Swiss model--didn't just "inform".
Care to try to reconcile the OP with that advocacy? I bet you won't even try!

Like I said:



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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 06:51 PM
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14. kick
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 07:00 PM
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15. There is simply still a complete denial of the failure of Reaganism and,....
,...and HELLUVA' lot of money still being poured into deceptive advertising/campaigning.

Until the deception is squashed, the failure will never be acknowledged.
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