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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:45 AM
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M$NBC: '2010: Trouble for Dems?'
M$NBC is using the fux snooze tactic of proferring their propaganda in the form of a question and displaying it in the chyron.

The republicants are falling apart but M$NBC decides it's the Dems that are in trouble. Go figure.

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:51 AM
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1. Polls of the past
On the eve of election 2002:

10/31 - 11/3/2002 ABC News Poll

"If the election for the U.S. House of Representatives were being held today, would you vote for: the Democratic candidate or the Republican candidate in your congressional district?"

Repub: 48%
Dem: 48%

Pew Research Center for the People & the Press survey Oct. 30-Nov. 2, 2002

"If the elections for U.S. Congress were being held today, would you vote for the Republican Party's candidate or the Democratic Party's candidate for Congress in your district?"

Dem: 46%
Repub: 44%

News media was fretting over GOP difficulties then, but they still won.

Dems will have no problems in 2010.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:53 AM
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2. The Pied Piper says, "Follow me! What could go wrong???"
:rofl:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:01 AM
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8. what would you like to see go wrong?
I know you're looking forward to it. :puke:
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:05 AM
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10. I want to see center/right "centrists" dominate the Party such that it is indistiguishable
from the other corporatist party. Doesn't everyone? :hi:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:08 AM
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13. apparently you want the party to fail if they don't do things your way
:)
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:12 AM
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17. Nonsense. I want the Party to become what it most despises, so long as "I WIN!!!1!!1!1!"
"Battle not with monsters lest ye become a monster and if you gaze into the abyss the abyss gazes into you." — Friedrich Nietzsche

"You know what, wyldwolf, do battle with monsters. What difference will it make?" --Romulox. :rofl:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:14 AM
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19. " the Party to become what it most despises" is based on your perspective, Mr. Nader
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:16 AM
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20. What a stinging rebuke, Mr. Lieberman!
:silly:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:21 AM
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21. Show me a thread where I'm almost hoping the party fails like you're doing.
Edited on Mon Aug-24-09 11:22 AM by wyldwolf
This is the part where you deny doing that.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:23 AM
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22. Is this the part where you flail about, whine, and change the subject, Mr. Spector?
I see you got your one good "zinger" off. Self pity time? :rofl:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 03:52 PM
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33. Where has the subject been changed Mr. Wallace? Besides when you did it in post #2?
Edited on Mon Aug-24-09 03:53 PM by wyldwolf
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Oh, that's HENRY Wallace for the alert-happy types.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_A._Wallace
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Beer Snob-50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:56 AM
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3. i think the only way dems in trouble in 10
is if the general public (by that i mean those in the middle of the spectrum) believe the bs being thrown by those on teh far right.

i sense most of them don't.

but just in case it is true, i have my name in to be a member of a death panel
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:56 AM
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4. We need the fairness doctrine back
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:10 AM
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15. We need The Truth Doctrine too.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:13 AM
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18. Without public finance, the "Fairness Doctrine" is a nonsense.
Hearing from Corporate Party #2 doesn't "balance out" the message of Corporate Party # 1.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:57 AM
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5. That's the meme...
watch for it to be repeated endlessly for the next year.
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 10:57 AM
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6. How many open seats are there?
I remember reading/hearing that even in a worst case scenario there aren't as many open seats at risk to make that much of a change in the dynamic? Or maybe that was just the senate and not the house?
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:01 AM
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7. If no reform pass before the election, well may be
who wants to vote for a group that can't hold to their promises. Not voting for republicans does not mean a vote for Dems.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:04 AM
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9. See, everything is good news for the Republicans
They got smashed in 2008, good news! They lost their majorities in 2006, good news! More people trust the Democrats than the Republicans on every issue, from health care to domestic policy to the economy to national security, good news! Obama's approval rating is in the high 50s, down from the low 60s, good news! The DJIA has gone up over 9,500, good news!

Because sooner or later something arguably bad will happen, then it will totally be the fault of the Democrats. So, good news!
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KatyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:07 AM
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11. So
people in Utah, Idaho, Wyoming and Alaska are holding things up. Sorry for the language, but fuck them, that's about 4 million people. Again, I say to the republic denizens of Utah, Idaho, Wyoming and Alaska: FUCK YOU
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:07 AM
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12. Well at this moment in time they are in trouble with me.
They have a choice. Pass real reform for the betterment of American people or go with the Republicans. If they choose going the Republican route then they will have lost me completely. I will no longer support in any fashion any Democrat on the federal Level. I will only participate in local elections where I know it truly makes a difference. Just one voter here but a serious one. :shrug:
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:10 AM
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14. NO! Not as long as there are paper trails in the voting machines!

The Reagan revolution was astroturfed!
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:11 AM
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16. What they have to worry about is the result of inaction.
People like us might get fed up and withhold $$, volunteer effort or even stay home on election day.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:24 AM
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23. Elections are always trouble for do-nothings.
I hope our Dems can be troubled enough to sign on to winning health-care reform.
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:55 AM
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27. Take this seriously, please. Reid's losing his seat, according to latest polls.
and Gillibrand's at risk to a generic Repubican. CT, CO, and IL will flip. The incumbents in WV and HI are fabulously old, ill, or both, and there are a lot of wildcards out there -- DE, for example.

It's entirely possible for us to wake up in November of 2010 with Bernie Sanders and Joe Lieberman the margin in the Senate.

As for the House, the majority will be trimmed to under 20.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:02 PM
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28. CO ain't going anywhere
We're primarying Bennet, and I believe either Dodd will retire or step aside to let another Democrat take his position. IL will remain firmly D - Burris isn't even running.

Hawkeye-X
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:05 PM
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29. I'll take action on a Dem loss of two of those three states. n/t
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quiller4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:08 PM
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30. When Sienna polled her against King, she was 16 points up.
She does even better than that according to Quinnipiac and Marist so I wouldn't be too concerned. CT isn't flipping. Dodd's polling has improved greatly since June. IL isn't flipping either even according to Cook.

Breath. It is early but even most prognosticators expect no D losses in Senate and some losses in the House.

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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:30 PM
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32. Factor in a W shaped 'recovery', as per Roubini this morning
...and an HCR loss in Congress, or a compromise that causes the 'public option or nothing' forces that make up the lion's share of posters on this board to stay home in a self-defeating snit, and you'll be able to watch purple districts go red, and blue districts go purple, providing the margin of Republican victories.

Given an opportunity to cut off their noses to spite their faces, progressives positively run to the knife drawer. We can generally be counted to do the Republicans' work for them.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:28 PM
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31. The DEMs will lose if they engage in moot divisive wedge issues brought to the fore by GOP
The Divisive Level is THEIR COURT YARD

President Obama represents: Positivity, Healing, Dreaming, Solving, Advancing, etc..Not a 10 but the next best thing....Whiny

Negative Pubs not even close.
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