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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:08 PM
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White House lost Over FIVE MILLION e-mails in two year period?-CREW
Today, CREW issued a new report, WITHOUT A TRACE: The Missing White House Emails and Violations of the PRA, and made the shocking new disclosure that the Bush White House has lost over FIVE MILLION e-mails in a two year period. The report also details the legal issues behind the growing controversy over the White House e-mail scandal.

Through two confidential sources, CREW learned that the Executive Office of the President (EOP) has lost over FIVE MILLION emails generated between March 2003 and October 2005. The White House counsel’s office was advised of these problems in 2005 and CREW has been told that the White House was given a plan of action to recover these emails, but to date nothing has been done to rectify this significant loss of records.

Our Executive Director, Melanie Sloan, issued the following statement after learning of the revelation

>>>>snip : http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/27603
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I can't believe this number
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:10 PM
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1. March 2003 = Shock & Awe
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:10 PM
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2. Nothing done since Oct. 2005
to rectify the situation. Kind of like Condi's track record. Is there anything that they are held accountable for?
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:11 PM
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3. how many more crimes are being committed by this regime
it is time to hit them with the justice scales.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:45 PM
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25. Only if they're big and heavy.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:13 PM
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4. This is (imho) objective proof of the Reich's conspiracy to create a Shadow Government
... unaccountable and operating in secrecy. To the question of "If you've done nothing wrong why fear privacy violation?" we can surely point to this as clear evidence of "doing something wrong."

This is Obstruction of Justice in the macro sense and deserves immediate and hard-fisted correction.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:14 PM
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5. FBI need to mine the computers OOPS the Attorney General is
involved

Does Congress run this damng country elected officials of the people

or appointed Bozo run it
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:14 PM
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6. They didn't "lose" them. They destroyed/deleted them. Deliberately. n/t
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:15 PM
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7. Goodness! And you know what the Bush administration will say about that?
It was mostly spam. :eyes:
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:15 PM
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8. How'd they get the five million number?
That sounds like a lot of e-mails.
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Throwing Stones Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:25 PM
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15. It might be a high number, but
I've worked on large-scale litigation where we had twice that number in a shorter period of time for about 100 mailboxes. Of course a lot of these WH emails are probably spam, notes to/from the wife (don't forget to pick up the dry cleaning) etc., but I'm sure there are/were some gems in there, too.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:16 PM
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9. Seems they don't care to follow the laws prescribed for WH records.
"PRA Violations: 1) The administration failed to implement adequate record-keeping systems to archive presidential email records; 2) two confidential sources independently informed CREW that the administration abandoned a plan to recover more than five million missing emails; 3) White House staff used outside email accounts to conduct presidential business, ensuring that emails were not adequately preserved. In fact, former Abramoff associate Kevin Ring said in an email to Abramoff that Ralston had told him not to send emails to her official White House account “because it might actually limit what they can do to help us, especially since there could be lawsuits, etc.”

Hatch Act Excuse: The administration has claimed that Rove, Jennings and other staffers use RNC accounts to avoid violating the Hatch Act. This is untrue. The Hatch Act prohibits White House staff from using official resources for purely “political” purposes. “Political” refers to the president’s role as either a candidate for office or as the leader of his party. Email communications regarding presidential appointments for U.S. Attorney and Interior Department positions clearly fall within the PRA as making appointment is an official presidential function and does not relate to the president’s role as party leader."

http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/27607

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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:33 PM
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19. I lost my homework once.
No really I did but not 5,000,000 times

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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:19 PM
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10. and these are the dudes that are allegedly making us all feel so much safer. . .?
Right. . .?
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:19 PM
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11. Total Ineptitude emboldens the terrorists and puts the troops and
the entire country at risk.

No wonder 9/11 happened and the anthrax murderers and Bin Laden still roam free. No wonder there is a meth lab on every block and the country is broke! No wonder New Orleans wasn't ready.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:30 PM
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18. It's NOT ineptitude--that "loss" was deliberate. n/t
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:20 PM
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12. Well, the "lost" part is yet to be determined. I happen to think they rehired
Miss Woods.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:22 PM
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13. Hmm...having trouble opening the CREW web page.
:tinfoilhat:
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:23 PM
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14. How many of them were love letters?
LOL! You *know* I'm enjoying this too much.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:26 PM
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16. Instead of subpoenaing the e-mails, shouldn't they be subpoenaing all the computers?
Or have they done that?
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yy4me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:30 PM
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17. If the Repubs say they can't find 5 million e-mails, does it not
indicate that they kept some kind of track of them? How else do they know that there are 5 million missing. Did they count as they deleted?
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:34 PM
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20. My, my have they been busy criminals....
:eyes:
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:36 PM
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21. Unbelievable........Absolutely UNBELIEVABLE!!
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:44 PM
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24. As in, pull the other one.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:39 PM
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22. Complete Bullshit
Hope Leahy brings in the forensics.
This is total obstruction..... and conspiracy.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 02:43 PM
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23. Well, if you think of it in terms of the money they've squandered...
It's a pittance.

Oh, and a felony.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 03:03 PM
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26. I'd say that congress needs to implement that plan of action ASAP
it's recoverable or there wouldn't have been a plan.
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 03:14 PM
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27. I bet they still have the one I sent 24 March 2003
cussing lil boots* up one side and down the other damning him to hell for all eternity. I bet that mail is sitting safe and sound in a file along with my photo and finger prints, labeled subversive watch this one.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 04:04 PM
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28. Yeah, "lost"...
:eyes:
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 04:16 PM
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29. kick n/t
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 04:17 PM
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30. I provided an easy to understand explanation of this here:
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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 05:57 PM
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31. K&R
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 07:43 AM
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32. Makes the 18 minute erased tape look like childs play!
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