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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 04:46 AM
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Progressive Caucus Finds Itself In A Strange Place: Power
Progressive Caucus Finds Itself In A Strange Place: Power


Ryan Grim | Huffington Post | Updated: 08-25-09 08:24 PM


Rep. Raúl Grijalva (D-Ariz.)

The White House expressed surprise last week that the "left of the left" had clung so forcefully to the public insurance option as a must-have element of health care reform. Some old hands in the administration were more likely surprised by the simple fact that, at this late stage, they still have to deal with progressives in Congress. And who can blame them?

"We're the group that speaks to the righteousness of an issue, inevitably the decisions about how that issue's going to be addressed are conducted somewhere else," said Rep. Raúl Grijalva (D-Ariz.), describing the traditional fecklessness of progressives in Congress. "The fact that we have stuck to our guns about the public option has surprised people." A majority of the 81 Congressional Progressive Caucus members of the House have vowed to oppose any health care bill that does not include a "robust public option." That threat has kept it alive.

With 256 seats in the House and 218 needed to pass a bill, Democrats simply can't move health care reform on their own without progressive caucus support. The question facing the White House and congressional leadership: Just how serious are they? Interviews with CPC leaders and a look at the group's behavior suggest that leadership would be well advised to consider the threat real. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has repeatedly acknowledged the reality that the progressives can block the bill.

In June, she was asked by HuffPost if she would allow health care reform without a public option to pass the House. "It's not a question of allow. It wouldn't have the votes," she said. When the White House went squishy last week on the public option ("not essential"/"one sliver"/"a piece"), Pelosi returned to the basic calculus. "There's no way I can pass a bill in the House of Representatives without a public option," she said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/25/progressive-caucus-finds_n_268754.html">MORE

- In the past, groups like the DLC with their stinkin' and flea-bitten Blue Dogs; and even further back... back to when they used to have those um... ahhh.... Yeah! "liberal" Republicans (a species that is now extinct), well they were able to scatter and undermine the progressive caucus efforts merely by throwing some bits and pieces on the ground and then standing back to watch them fight over the scraps and gristle they'd been given. It was always an embarrassing spectacle to have to watch. But that's life.

And yet just as a broken clock is at least right twice a day, Progressives were bound to find themselves on the right side, unified and with the power to decide things, at least once in their lifetimes.

And I believe that this is that moment....

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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 06:06 AM
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1. I hope they stand fast and save reform and save the Party. nt
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 06:12 AM
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2. That makes 2 of us....
:D
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 06:24 AM
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3. More important than that I hope they learn the lesson that "Standing Fast" actually works.
Hopefully the suprise of finding themselves with power will bring them to understand they can retain power by simply sticking to their guns.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 09:10 AM
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4. k&r for the Honorable Members of the Progressive Caucus. n/t
:dem:

-Laelth
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 11:15 AM
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5. And another Kick!
:D
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Lorax7844 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 11:18 AM
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6. kick
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 12:48 PM
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11. K & R
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Eyerish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 11:21 AM
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7. K&R
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 11:23 AM
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8. Love this
And it's about time!
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 11:25 AM
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9. I wish ALL the Democrats in Congress
were part of the progressive caucus. Then we might get some things done.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 11:32 AM
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10. They are the only hope i have at some sort of Health care reform..I just hope
for the middle class and the poor it isn't watered down to be meaningless for the majority of Americans ..

Just passing a bill means nothing..it is the integrity of the bill and what it hold forth for the American people..Health care should not be at the hands of corporations..but by and for the people...anything less is a sell out.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 12:50 PM
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12. Agreed.
:D - Kick
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burning rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 01:10 PM
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13. It looks like the White House is triangulating already.
That was not simply splitting the difference or finding a middle ground, but blasting the more liberal part of your party, blasting the Republican Party, and setting yourself up as an independent player. Bill Clinton did that in earnest after losing the Congress in 1994; this adminiistration is starting out that way. By starting to triangulate when the Democrats have large majorities in Congress, the White House gives the appearance of indifference to the fate of congressional Democrats. I did find it a bit disturbing during the 2008 race how now-President Obama did so little by way of campaigning with congressional candidates so as to boost them--that may now make sense.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 01:14 PM
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14. We will see.
Health-care reform without the public option would just be a windfall for the insurance companies.
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burning rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 01:31 PM
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15. Agreed.
This is a crossroads. With big Democratic majorities in Congress, doing healthcare reform without public option would clearly be a betrayal, not an act based on sad pragmatism.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 01:34 PM
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16. "And I believe that this is that moment...."
Let's hope this is the start of a trend... it's about time that pendulum started swinging back to the left.

K&R
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 11:01 AM
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19. Law of nature.
- It's gotta swing back or all hell breaks loose!

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 11:11 AM
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20. I think we've gone far enough to the right by now...
Edited on Thu Aug-27-09 11:12 AM by redqueen
torture, wars of aggression, huge divide between rich & poor... yep, it's time.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 01:37 PM
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17. the lefties are also more often the activists
many who put the rubber to the road to get Obama elected.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 08:54 PM
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18. Kick. n/t
:dem:

-Laelth
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