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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 04:08 PM
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HEADS UP: Conyers/Sánchez expand US Attorney investigation to RNC (E-MAILS!!!)
Edited on Thu Apr-12-07 04:09 PM by WilliamPitt
I have a letter from Chairman Conyers and Chairwoman Sanchez which arrived as a .pdf via email. It won't let me copy the text, but this was the body of the email that carried it:

"Chairman Conyers and Subcommittee Chairwoman Sánchez will not sit idly by while the truth about the U.S. Attorney matter disappears into cyberspace." - Judiciary Committee Spokesperson.

Attached you'll find a letter Chairman Conyers and Subcommittee Chairwoman Sánchez sent to the Republican National Committee (RNC) requesting they deliver, by next week, emails and any other documents relating to the U.S. Attorney matter. They further directed the RNC to do so separately from a broader delivery to the White House, to avoid delay. Let us know if you have questions.


The first paragraph of the attached letter reads, "We are writing to request prompt delivery to the House Judiciary Committee of all email communications and all meta-data underlying them, stored on Republican National Committee ("RNC") servers or otherwise in the posession, custody, or control of the RNC, that are related in any way to the recent firings by the Department of Justice of United States Attorneys, or to communications to the Congress about those terminations and related matters as set forth in this letter."

If I can get the whole text, I'll post it.

So..."meta-language"? Mayhap that means Mr. Conyers knows that no emails are every really deleted, unless you roast the hard drive with a torch or massage it with a magnet.

Interesting times.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 04:09 PM
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1. pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 04:20 PM
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17. if you are quoting the Farside, it should be
"oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please," so long as you have enough arrows with Kat Fud pointing towards the dryer.

I second your e-motion.
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independentpiney Donating Member (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 04:50 PM
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26. Cat Fud- that was one of many great Far Sides n/t
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 04:10 PM
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2. Ooooooooh...
this is good. Somebody is Conyers' office is a tech head. :)
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 04:11 PM
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3. oh my
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 04:11 PM
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4. Hackles are raised, subpoenas are prepared...interesting times for sure.
Edited on Thu Apr-12-07 04:15 PM by pinto
I hope they're all ready for their closeups...

:thumbsup:
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 04:12 PM
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5. Meta-Data:
I see that as being connection logs, mail routing tables and things like that. Basically, Conyers wants the high-level configuration guts of their email infrastructure.

In IT terms, he is writing history. I am now confident that he has some uberest-of-geeks advising him.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 04:15 PM
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10. No flies on Mr. Conyers unless he wants some company.
Ever.

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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 05:16 PM
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COuld also imply certain crypographic info

necessary to read the messages if they encoded them in any way.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 06:47 PM
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34. Meta data is data about data
So you are correct in that it also means the mail headers, the mailserver program logs, etc. There's a lot of information in meta data even if the message content is not archived, which is possible.

-Hoot
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 05:02 PM
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55. This is the equivalent of "full headers" in your e-mail.
It reveals the entire path of the document, from the IP of the originationg computer, and every server en route, to the final destination.

This is going to reveal a great deal about who is where when, down to precise keyboards with a precise time stamp, etc.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 04:12 PM
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6. Oh Happy Day
I just want to see something done legally against these crooks....
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mulsh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 04:12 PM
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7. If this letter is even partially as thorough
as the subpoena they sent to the Dept of Justice it is a thing of beauty and a wonder to behold.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 04:22 PM
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18. It's three pages long
That's why I can't type it all out.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 04:13 PM
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8. There's a cat up every tree......n/t
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Grandrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 04:14 PM
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9. Wow!
:popcorn:
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 04:15 PM
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11. They need to subpoena the hardware - in fact, they need to send in ...
... the US Marshals to impound them ...
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 04:20 PM
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16. At the very least...
Edited on Thu Apr-12-07 04:21 PM by Tandalayo_Scheisskop
All harddrives in the email infrastructure and all hardware maintenance logs, to see if they have been swapped out. Also, all backup tapes, paying special attention to the lot numbers on the tapes themselves, to see when they were manufactured. In this way, they might(!) be able to discern whether these are new tape cartridges, which could point off to the real backups having been disappeared.
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 04:40 PM
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23. Damn the torpedoes ...
full speed ahead!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 04:16 PM
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12. Very good news.
Things are beginning to pick up.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 04:18 PM
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13. This is an excellent development.
The WH has is coming at them from all sides. It's going to stick to them this time.
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Penndems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 04:20 PM
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14. "Mr. Conyers knows that no emails are every really deleted"
True. As underhanded, conniving and meticulous as the RNC as, their excuse about E-mail that have evaporated into the ether makes me extremely incredulous.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 04:20 PM
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15. Not even a magnet, my friend.
Thanks for the good news, William. It warms my heart.
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phoebe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 04:25 PM
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19. FACA - Federal Advisory Committee Act
The Federal Advisory Committee Act
The Federal Advisory Committee Act prevents secret advisory groups from exercising hidden influence on government policy, requiring openness and a balance of viewpoints for all government advisory bodies. The Bush Administration, however, has supported legislation that creates new statutory exemptions from FACA. It has also sought to avoid the application of FACA through various mechanisms, such as manipulating appointments to advisory bodies, conducting key advisory functions through “subcommittees,” and invoking unusual statutory exemptions.

this according to Henry Waxman in September of 2004
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 04:30 PM
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20. Likely that Leahy and Conyers both have lots of information from WH insiders
... and that is what has the White House spooked. What to turn over, and what to claim is lost.

If the White House says an item is lost and these Committees already have copies of the item, you have proof of obstruction by the White House.

Wonder what the atmosphere is like 'inside the White House?'

Who can they trust, and who might be leaking the most damaging information?
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 04:36 PM
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21. House Dems Press for RNC Emails (with link to letter)
House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers (D-MI) and subcommittee chairwoman Linda Sanchez (D-CA) wrote to the chairman of the Republican National Committee today to demand White House officials' emails related to the U.S. attorney firings investigation. You can see the letter here.

There was a tantalizing tidbit in the letter, related to the U.S. attorney in Milwaukee, Steve Biskupic:

"We have also been advised that there may be RNC e-mail traffic relating to Republican Party concerns about the United States Attorney in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, prior to his announcing, on the eve of the hotly contested 2006 gubernatorial election, that he was indicting an official in the incumbent Democratic governor's administration. This prosecution was a topic of energetic discussion by Republicans in Wisconsin in the days leading up to the election, but was apparently so lacking in merit that the panel of judges on the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals reviewing the case, after a thirty-minute oral argument, immediately ordered, from the bench, that the official be released from prison and indicated it was reversing the conviction because it was unsupported by sufficient evidence."


http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003000.php

letter
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/conyers-sanchez-usa/
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 04:37 PM
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22. Outstanding.
Thanks!
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 04:43 PM
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25. thanks-n/t
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 04:55 PM
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27. DoJ U.S. Attorney Doc Dump 6: Dump with a Vengeance
Oh, you knew it was coming.

Apparently some 1,000 pages of documents are forthcoming from the Justice Department as early as this evening or as late as tomorrow morning.

That's all about all that we can say at this point.

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003001.php
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 05:38 PM
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31. Ohhhh my, gotta love this....
"To the extent that you take the position that deleted e-mails cannot be retrieved, we must insist, at the very least, technical experts working with us have the opportunity to question and work with RNC personnel to seek such recovery."


Popcorn anyone!

:popcorn: :popcorn:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 05:49 PM
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32. What a beautiful letter
Joy.

"Particularly as these e-mails have already gone outside of the confines of official White House communications channels, we would ask that, whatever you may be doing to respond to the White House request, you treat our request as separate and provide the materials we have requested directly to us, as quickly as possible, rather than diverting them into a White House review of the larger set of e-mails and thereby delaying our receipt of them."

IOW: Don't even try it.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 06:51 PM
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35. Yep, and they are already sending the clear message to the WH
that these e-mails are not covered under any "executive privilege" they might try and claim. I absolutely love it.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 06:57 PM
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36. And where will Fitz fall in all of this?
:popcorn:
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 07:15 PM
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37. It depends, given the subpoenas to the DOJ, WH and the RNC
are limited to the firing of the US Attorneys, there is no requirement for them to hand over any e-mails found on the outside servers that refer to subject matters outside the limits of the subpoena. However, the Congressional committee currently investigating the Plame outing could follow up and request from the WH,DOJ, RNC any and all relevant documents, etc, that were as a result of using the outside server. I suspect this is in the works.

If incriminating e-mails, etc, are discovered that directly relate to Fitzgerald's investigation I have NO doubt he would re-active the investigation. As he made clear, if new evidence were to surface they will investigate it.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 08:49 PM
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38. I hope this is what's happening.
Although I don't know whether there are any which relate to Plamegate, I'd sleep better if I knew for sure. :)

I can't imagine someone, somewhere, hasn't wondered what else is on them. Paging Henry Waxman!

I found the other thread on Fitz and read your comments over there. Keeping everything crossed.

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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 09:14 PM
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39. I have everything crossed, my fingers and toes, legs and arms
Damn, it IS tough, however, typing with crossed arms and fingers, I must admit, lol.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 01:46 AM
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46. I read something on Kos earlier that may answer your question
Edited on Fri Apr-13-07 01:48 AM by kgfnally
It was on a pair of diaries, but I can't remember which ones.

*pause* nevermind, the diary was by Beetwasher, quoting verbatim from here.

But he also provided more details about those emails on the RNC servers -- details derived from his staff's interview with the RNC's counsel Rob Kelner. According to Kelner, the RNC stopped deleting all of the White House staff's emails in response to "unspecified legal inquiries" (i.e. Pat Fitzgerald's investigation) in August of 2004. And there are some very tantalizing details concerning Karl Rove...

From the letter:

According to Mr. Kelner, the RNC had a policy, which the RNC called a "document retention" policy, that purged all e-mails from RNC e-mail accounts and the RNC server that were more than 30 days old. Mr. Kelner said that as a result of unspecified legal inquiries, a "hold" was placed on this e-mail destruction policy for the accounts of White House officials in August 2004. Mr. Kelner was uncertain whether the hold was consistently maintained from August 2004 to the present, but he asserted that for this period, the RNC does have alarge volume of White House e-mails. According to Mr. Kelner, the hold would not have prevented individual White House officials from deleting their e-mail from the RNC server after August 2004.

Mr. Kelner's briefing raised particular concems about Karl Rove, who according to press reports used his RNC accountfor 95%o of his communications. According to Mr. Kelner, although the hold started in August 2004, the RNC does not have any e-mails prior to 2005 for Mr. Rove. Mr. Kelner did not give any explanation for the e-mails missing from Mr. Rove's account, but he did acknowledge that one possible explanation is that Mr. Rove personally deleted his e-mails from the RNC server.


FWIW.

edit: fixed links
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 12:32 PM
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49. Given that rove appeared before the Grand Jury FIVE times
in order to "correct" his previous testimony and that he "found" a document after one of his appearances that contradicted his own testimony (he found the document only after he knew Fitzgerald had a copy of this same document,imo), I can't help but wonder if this focus on the outside servers may well bring to light more rove documents that will allow Fitzgerald to re-active his investigation, assuming the techies working for the Congressional committees can recover the "lost" data.

It would only take ONE incriminating document, recovered from the RNC, that relates to the Plame investigation and authored by or received by rove to open a whole new can of worms for rove, imo. I believe there are such documents to be found and the fact that, according to the RNC, there are NO such documents left in the critical time-frame only re-enforces that belief.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 04:41 PM
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24. Ahhhh more than interesting, very good to hear.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 05:16 PM
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28. Conyers also needs to subpoena the servers and records of the Blackberry Service Providers!
Even if the hard drives of the RNC and White House and all laptops and Blackberry's were torched and buried at the bottom of the ocean, I find it impossible that whatever Service Provider (ie. Verizon, Singular etc.) would have cooperated and agreed to having their servers torched too.

Any email that ever was typed or cc'd and read by a Blackberry would have a copy of that on its server and likely still in a backup somewhere.
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 03:42 PM
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51. That reminds me that Ney was involved in changing the contract
for cell phone service from one company to another. Wonder if they were an Abramoff client.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 05:30 PM
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29. The only problem with this scenario..
... is the fact that given enough time and resources, these emails CAN in fact be permanently deleted. It isn't really that hard for someone that knows what they are doing.

All this foot dragging is just giving them time to clean house, which I'd bet any amount is exactly what they are doing.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 05:33 PM
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30. So Leahy Now Conyers and I'm betting Fitz will get in there
too ...Rove just couldn't stop he had to push it to the limit
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 06:39 PM
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33. So we may get a frogmarch for Rove yet.
Good things come to those who wait!

:bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce:
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 01:19 AM
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42. Here's hoping that as long as we've waited,
the good things rise to the level of justice under the Constitution.

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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 09:50 PM
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40. K&E.nt
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-12-07 09:52 PM
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41. and now WH says NO.. you can't have RNC emails.
now what!
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 01:32 AM
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43. They didn't ask the White House, did they? Didn't this go from congress to the RNC?
The RNC, if I remember correctly, is a corporation? It's NOT a branch of the white house, in spite of what the dictator-tot and his dingle-berry turd blossom think.

:kick::kick::kick:
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 01:38 AM
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44. Heard today on PBS they are looking into the attorneys that *didn't* get...
replaced and are finding that they were involved in wrongful prosecution of dems, in some instances, that clearly smack of political interference causing reversals at the appellate level with judges stating there evidence so weak as to nearly nonexistant...i'm ready for a wider peek-a-loo
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 01:39 AM
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45. Excellent, but not enough
Edited on Fri Apr-13-07 01:39 AM by kgfnally
They need to subpoena any physical hardware which received communications from the servers noted. Otherwise, they can just give printouts which may or may not contain all the data.

Subpoena the hardware. I can't say it often enough.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 01:59 AM
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47. this was good news but here's the bad news
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 12:18 PM
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48. Does anyone get the feeling they know something more?
Hmmm :freak:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 01:12 PM
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50. kick
:kick:
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 04:15 PM
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52. So, what will be the follow-through if
they deny the exist or if they just ignore Conyers? What is the motivation factor for them to comply? :shrug:
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 04:56 PM
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53. Acrobat Reader info: Copy tool is in the toolbar. Must be clicked first. n/t
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-13-07 04:57 PM
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54. K & R
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