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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 10:59 AM
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Can we agree to not talk about the political ramifications of Sen. Kennedy's death...
for at least a day?

Let's justs remember the man he was and the great work he did for our country.

I just want to pay my respects.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 11:01 AM
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1. No.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 11:03 AM
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2. If waving the bloody shirt will get us health care reform...
...then he have to do it. Frankly, passing a good bill is the best think we can do to honor his memory.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 11:05 AM
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3. Do we have to do it while the body's still warm?
Edited on Wed Aug-26-09 11:06 AM by Cant trust em
"Great. He's dead. Now we can use it to our advantage!"

You disgust me.
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gopiscrap Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 11:07 AM
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4. That's politics
the Republicans did it with Reagan and you can bet they'll figure a way to try use his death against us...be alert, use what ever advantage we have!
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 11:08 AM
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6. Awesome. So we can be just as shitty as they are. nt
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gopiscrap Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 11:12 AM
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10. The problem is...
that is politics today...with out being shitty, our party is just going to be dumped on. Part of the problem with this whole thing is that Obama was trying to be too conciliatory..he should have just told the GOP to go fuck itself...when we diagreed with the past administration we were told to leave the country...my message to any birther, tea bagger or gop corporate insurance or medical whore: go fuck yourself and leave the country while you're at it!!!!!
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 11:13 AM
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11. So we can't wait one day?
One stinking day? It has to be right now?
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gopiscrap Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 11:20 AM
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15. Strike while the iron is hot
I ran for US Congress from the left and got the most primary votes anyone has against my DINO rep in 33 years. I didn't get there by sitting on ass...all of life is politics and it affects all of us ALL the time...there is no time for rest...we must always be willing to go for the opponents throat and marginalize their political movement when ever we can...otherwise it will happen to us as it did under Reagan and Bush
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 12:00 PM
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25. Last year on the campaign we took 9/11 off from phone banking
It was the only night I had off between August and election day.
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 11:08 AM
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5. While your gentileness is commendable, thats how we lose to sociopaths, every time
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 11:44 AM
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22. Yes. Absolutely yes.Ted would not want anything less.
Your disgust is not really relevant, this isn't about you.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 11:57 AM
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24. Typically emotions aren't "relevant". That doesn't make it any less grotesque. nt
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 12:21 PM
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27. Your disgust is far less important to me than Ted's legacy.
I understand that for your own reasons you find this disgusting, but I am quite certain that Ted wanted this legislation to be his final legacy, and by his actions at the end, intended his death not to be an obstacle to that end. He would expect nothing less of us. He would expect us to redouble our efforts to honor him.

Picking up the standard from the fallen leader and carrying on the fight is the highest honor.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 12:35 PM
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28. I'm all about taking up the torch, but I don't want to parade around his death today
I think there's a big difference in continuing to work and using tragedy for political advantage. One day is fair, I think.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 12:48 PM
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29. What have you accomplished here with your divisive thread?
How has this thread honored the late Senator?
How has this thread furthered the causes he dedicated his life to?
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 12:56 PM
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30. Divisive? So every thread that gets posted we have to agree on?
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nuxvomica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 11:09 AM
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7. I agree. Teddy himself once famously said "the work goes on"
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 11:11 AM
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9. Christ, I'm not saying that we should pack our bags and drown in sorrow
But to talk, hours after he died, about using his death to our political advantage is terrible. Shit, it can wait a day.
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nuxvomica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 11:14 AM
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12. Politics was an important part of his life
Edited on Wed Aug-26-09 11:15 AM by nuxvomica
It would be like a famous singer dying and people deciding not to play any of his songs for a day.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 11:45 AM
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23. Politics was his life.
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Hatchling Donating Member (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 11:09 AM
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8. No.
Part of remembering the great man he was is to continue his fight for him. I feel it is extremely respectful to him.

The problem with the debate over health care reform is that it has been political. And to honor Ted Kennedy's memory the fight has to continue. I personally believe this is what he would have wanted.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 11:14 AM
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13. His life was politics
What else would you do? Talk about Ted, talk about the effect he absence has.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 11:22 AM
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16. Absolutely!
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 11:28 AM
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18. I feel it's counter-productive at this point.
If mourning is to be used as political fuel, you have to build the fire with a period of remembrance, culminating in a public funeral.

I've no doubt that there is a careful plan in place, probably drafted by Teddy himself, to use his death to advance health care.

But, IMO, now is the time for placing politics closely aside and just plain mourning a great man.
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 11:17 AM
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14. Healthcare was the "work of his life." It's a tribute to redouble our efforts, beginning TODAY! n/t
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 11:23 AM
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17. Yeah. I agree. This is a tragedy first and foremost...
For his family and our nation.

While I'm sure that Ted would want this to be used as an opportunity to advance health care, that comes later.

However, I do excuse close political allies such as Byrd, Obama, etc. from this as I assume they may be acting on Teddy's wishes.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 11:34 AM
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19. I would rather follow his wishes.
He would have wanted his death to be as purposeful as his life. He wasn't one for lots of tribute dinners and honors. He was for the work. If we can't say a silent prayer while still manning the barricades, then we aren't honoring him, but saying good-bye to his dream.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 11:42 AM
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20. no thanks
there is nothing at all disrespectful about that. One of Senator Kennedy's last acts was an editorial in the Boston Globe requesting a change in the senate replacement laws to expedite his replacement. He wrote that because of the political ramifications of his looming demise and his desire that his death not be an obstacle to the health care system reform that he intended to be his final legacy.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 11:43 AM
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21. Maybe you should take a break if you feel that strongly about it.
Ted gladly devoted his life's work to universal health care and I think it would be just fine with him if we threw his body on the podium at the senate tomorrow afternoon, if it helped pass single payer.,
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 12:04 PM
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26. I think he would be honored by our efforts to make his life's work bear fruit
By fighting with all our might and every tool we have to get health care for all.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 10:28 PM
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31. I think most people are naturally doing what you suggest. This loss is big. Remembering the
man and his record is a big job too. They'll be time for fretting in the weeks to come.

I was thinking about Michael Jackson and how long he was in the news and it make me want to puke. I'm sure Kennedy's death will not dominate the news for a full month. As a population we are warped.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 10:30 PM
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32. OK, it's been 24 hours - game on
:)


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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 11:20 AM
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33. That's exactly what I thought this morning when I started reading. nt
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