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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 06:11 PM
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Conservative blogger: Loaded guns at anti-Obama rallies are fine
Conservative blogger: Loaded guns at anti-Obama rallies are fine
August 26, 2009 4:33 pm ET by Eric Boehlert

Obama is never really near the gun-toting protesters who join health care mini-mobs, so what's the big deal, asks The Atlantic's Megan McArdle.

In fact, she's so sure the guns pose no threat, McArdle wants to bet people that Obama won't get shot by a health care protester.

Stay classy, Megan.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/200908260038
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 06:13 PM
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1. Taking bets on the life of a human being...
Is crass, no matter who it is.

We've slipped into the looking glass, I just know it. Things are so backward here.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 06:15 PM
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2. A hate crime wish is what it is.
Fuckwad Republicans.
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bluethruandthru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 06:16 PM
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3. Remember the old lady who was forcibly escorted from a plaza in
front of a hotel or meeting space where Bush was speaking..just for carrying a very mildly worded sign? I think it was something anti war. Sorry for not remembering the exact details. But, I've been thinking about that incident alot lately. Some Bush goons were all over the poor woman saying she was trespassing even though she was on public property, etc.
Amazing how it's suddenly okay to have angry protesters bringing guns to the President's speeches.
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 07:03 PM
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7. Making things up doesn't make you correct.
The man with the AR15 didn't look angry to me. He apparently didn't look angry to the Secret Service either.

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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 06:17 PM
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4. In their cartoon world it is ,Unfortunately we share the planet with them.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 06:40 PM
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5. Not quite how MM characterized it, eh?

But the hysteria about them has been even more ludicrous. Numerous people claim to believe that this makes it likely, even certain, that someone will shoot at the president. This is very silly, because the president is not anywhere most of the gun-toting protesters, who have showed up at all sorts of events. It is, I suppose, more plausible to believe that they might take a shot at someone else. But not very plausible: the rate of crime associated with legal gun possession or carrying seems to be very low. Guns, it turn out, do not turn ordinary people into murderers. They make murderers more effective.

So perhaps unsurprisingly, when offered the opportunity to put some money down on the proposition that one of these firearms is soon going to be discharged at someone {ed: "someone", not the president}, they all decline. It is starting to remind me of that C.S. Lewis quote from Mere Christianity:

"Suppose one reads a story of filthy atrocities in the paper. Then suppose that something turns up suggesting that the story might not be quite true, or not quite so bad as it was made out. Is one's first feeling, 'Thank God, even they aren't quite so bad as that,' or is it a feeling of disappointment, and even a determination to cling to the first story for the sheer pleasure of thinking your enemies are as bad as possible? If it is the second then it is, I am afraid, the first step in a process which, if followed to the end, will make us into devils. You see, one is beginning to wish that black was a little blacker. If we give that wish its head, later on we shall wish to see grey as black, and then to see white itself as black. Finally we shall insist on seeing everything -- God and our friends and ourselves included -- as bad, and not be able to stop doing it: we shall be fixed for ever in a universe of pure hatred."


She's right, we just _have to_ make the tea baggers and goobers with guns evil. We have to justify our hate _somehow_.

Follow-up post..

http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/08/more_on_guns.php

To be clear, as I said in my previous post, I think carrying a gun to a protest is at best stupid. Whether or not they intend to provoke hysterical fear among a substantial portion of the population, they clearly are doing so, and that is not how you make your best case for the second amendment. It's also not very nice, even if you didn't mean it. So I think they should stop. Meanwhile, I think that the left should also stop claiming, on little evidence, that they are crazed militia members. Doesn't that seem like a reasonable compromise?


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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 06:42 PM
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6. I also remember that you can't have a laser pointer pointing at a plane
near an airport ... the off chance that you might actually be able to get it into the eyes of a pilot as he takes off ...

but hey ... carry a high-powered rifle with a scope within range ... no problem ...
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 07:07 PM
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8. Generally speaking you need to see the target to hit it.
The secret service puts the perimeter such that the man w/ a rifle never saw the President hence there was nothing to shoot at.

The Secret Service isn't quick draw McGraw relying on their super fast skills with the six shooter to outshoot a Presidential shooter.

Instead they have this crazy concept. If nobody has a line of sight from outside the security perimeter to the President and everyone inside has no weapons then there is no method to need to outshoot the shooter.

Passive Security. Active Security (shooting back, blocking shots, moving the President to the armored limo, requesting backup) is only is someone screwed up.

The goal is to avoid the President ever being in danger not stopping an attack as it happens.
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Rincewind Donating Member (682 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 08:26 PM
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9. I have an idea,
the next time W, or sneer goes somewhere to give a speech, how about it if a bunch of protesters show up carry signs saying "Bush (or Cheney ) is a traitor", and " Death to all traitors". A noticeable number of the protesters should being carrying guns. I'm sure no right wingers would dispute their right to exercise their second amendment rights. :sarcasm:
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