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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 07:01 PM
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AARP Survey by PENN, Schoen & Berland "Internet based, causes confusion" says Nate Of 538
Poll: Most Don't Know What "Public Option" Is -- Including Pollsters

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This should serve as something of a reality check for people on both sides of the public option debate. If the respondents had simply chosen randomly among the three options provide to them, 33 percent would have selected the correct definition for the public option. Instead, only 37 percent did (although 23 percent did not bother to guess). This is mostly a debate being had among policy elites and the relatively small fraction of the public that is highly knowledgeable and engaged about health care reform; for most others, the details are lost on them.

This is also why relatively small changes in wording can trigger dramatic shifts in support for the public option, which has been as high as 83 percent in some polls and as low as 35 percent in others depending on who is doing the polling and how they're asking the questions. You don't see those sorts of discrepancies when polling about, say, gay marriage or the death penalty, where the options are a little bit more self-evident.

Unfortunately, some liberal interest groups may be contributing to the confusion as well, with this poll being a prime example. When Penn, Schoen and Berland ask people to identify the public option, they describe it -- correctly -- as offering health insurance at "market rates". However, when they ask people how they feel about the public option, a different concept is introduced:
"Starting a new federal health insurance plan that individuals could purchase if they can’t afford private plans offered to them."
Seventy-nine percent of the poll's respondents -- including 61 percent of Republicans -- say they'd support this proposal. But it seems to be a very different proposal from the "public option" that Penn, Schoen and Berland took so much care to define, or the one that is actually being debated before Congress. Rather than offering health insurance at "market rates", the public option has been transformed in this question into a sort of fallback policy for people who are priced out of the market. Moreover, the term "government" has been replaced by the softer but more ambiguous term "federal".

Also, if you read the fine print, this is an Internet-based poll, which is not something that an esteemed firm like Penn, Schoen and Berland or an esteemed organization like the AARP should be toying with. Telephone polls have their problems, particularly if they do not include respondents with cellphones, but they are a long ways ahead of Internet-based polling. Zogby Interactive, the most prolific (if the least methodologically sound) Internet-based pollster, has missed the outcome of recent elections by an average of 7.6 points when conducting polls online. (Internet-based polling is cheaper to conduct, but as is the case with fine dining in Manhattan, "value" should not be confused for "cost". Any organization commissioning an Internet-based poll is probably wasting its money, because the poll isn't likely to be any good.)

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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 07:08 PM
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1. Nate also says "Defenders of the public option, however, should have little to fret about:"
Defenders of the public option, however, should have little to fret about: the most neutrally and accurately-worded polls on the public option -- these are the ones from Quinnipiac and Time/SRBI -- suggest that their position is in the majority, with 56-62 percent of the public supporting the public option and 33-36 percent opposed.



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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 07:10 PM
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2. Here's a key point:

79% Support a Federal Health Plan...



To what degree do you favor or
oppose the following health care
proposals?
Showing % Favor/ Oppose

Making insurance available to
everyone regardless of their health
history: 86/11

Requiring employers who do not
provide health insurance to their
employees to make a contribution to
a fund to help uninsured employees
purchase insurance: 74/21

Starting a new federal health
insurance plan that individuals could
purchase if they can’t afford private
plans offered to them: 79/18


From Page 7 of the survey. PDF file here: http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2009/0825/20090825_070303_HealthCarePoll.pdf

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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 07:16 PM
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3. IANA Pollster and defer to Nate Silver whenever I come across a poll. He calls the poll crap BUT
Edited on Thu Aug-27-09 07:18 PM by mod mom
suggests that those who support public option shouldn't be alarmed and quotes better executed polls.
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