Coburn says the "47 million uninsured" figure is a lie

They just showed a clip with the following quote on the Oklahoma City news affiliate.

COBURN: Absolutely. Absolutely. Let's talk about the 47 million you all continue to refer to. Eleven of them are illegal immigrants, 16 million are eligible for SCHIP or Medicaid today. They go anywhere, they're going to get covered because they are eligible.

We have 11 million people making over $75,000 a year who choose not to buy insurance. So, we actually have about nine million Americans who really need our help.

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0908/27/cnr.04.html

:argh:

but beings as how inhofe is mine I can't.

:cry:

Now, didn't I just make your day?

and that makes me feel a little better

I've actually corresponded with dr tom more than I have inhofe as I see jimmy boy as a total lost cause, tom too but not quit the same

Did he get these numbers from the same place he gets everything else-out of his ass.

the basis for his comments are probably from here:

http://aspe.hhs.gov/health/reports/05/uninsured-cps/index.htm

Figure 2 covers his comments of the people making more than $75K (which for a family of 3 is 400% of the Federal Poverty line) and the folks eligible for the SCHIP or Medicaid (<200% of the FPL)

the illegal alien number probably comes from sources like the study that is part of this article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/31/us/31immig.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt

Gives me a message that the page is unavailable.

I've been running into this particular lie a lot recently.

http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/tables/09s0147.pdf

47 million is the correct number of *people* in the US without health insurance. His claim that that includes even *one* illegal alien is unsubstantiated by any evidence. About 10 million of the 47 million are "non-citizens", but the Census Bureau doesn't sub-divide that 10 million into legal and illegal immigrants. Coburn is simply making things up. That is pretty typical for a Republican.

Golly, crisis solved, budget balanced, uninsured covered, and the United States is healthier! Win, win, win, win, Senator.

Your move, Tom.

Here are the facts:

How Many Americans Are Uninsured?

Several studies estimate the number of uninsured Americans. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, nearly 46 million Americans, or 18 percent of the population under the age of 65, were without health insurance in 2007, their latest data available.

The Agency for Health-care Research and Quality, using the Medical Expenditure Panel Survey (MEPS) estimated that the percentage of uninsured Americans under age 65 represented 27 percent of the population. According to the MEPS data, nearly 54 million Americans under the age of 65 were uninsured in the first-half of 2007.

A recent study shows that based on the effects of the recession alone (not job loss), it is projected that nearly seven (7) million Americans will lose their health insurance coverage between 2008 and 2010.

Urban Institute researchers estimate that if unemployment reaches 10 percent, another six (6) million Americans will lose their health insurance coverage. Taking these numbers together, it is conceivable that by next year, 57 to 60 million Americans will be uninsured.
The Urban Institute estimates that under a worse case scenario, 66 million Americans will be uninsured by 2019.

Nearly 90 million people – about one-third of the population below the age of 65 spent a portion of either 2007 or 2008 without health coverage.

Who Are the Uninsured?

The large majority of the uninsured (85 percent) are native or naturalized citizens.

Nearly 1.3 million full-time workers lost their health insurance in 2006.

Over 8 in 10 uninsured people come from working families – almost 70 percent from families with one or more wage earners.

The percentage and the number of uninsured Hispanics increased to 32.1 percent and overall to 15 million in 2007.

http://www.nchc.org/facts/coverage.shtml

It doesn't matter if those lies are debunked, it's whose voice is loudest in the end that matters. I've heard this pile of shit several time...claiming "illegals" will get free medical care and that we have the "best healthcare system in the world". They ignore the facts and make their own shit up cause that gets the reaction...then they get to go on teevee and lie even more. Doesn't matter if they're corrected, their lies are set and they're sticking with them.

If they have a pre-existing condition.

insurance, therefore choosing to not be insured. :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

Some people don't WANT to have health care when they are sick, and only want to choose the illness and not the treatment.

How can we expect to get through to the thick skulls of these wingnut zombies when their masters continue to spew absolute lies?

that paid for? What government entity pays for those programs? How does that reduce health care costs in America? Doesn't that put even more people in a 'government run' health care program? What are the objectives of the GOP's health care reform? Oh, that's right, you guys don't have any.

And they never stop to think (nevermind the morality) that if people can't get healthcare, they're more likely to spread diseases that the nazis' precious gated communities won't stop.

that's why we can't have a public option? That makes sense :eyes:

So they can all just eat cake, curl up and die.

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EVery time a dumbass like this guy says anything like this, my homies in the chicano neighborhood start to get pissed off and they explain it to their grandmothers who get pissed off because the dumbass is basically saying that their grandkids are illegals....

Let him spout off. The repubs are losing the latino vote, they have lost the AA vote, and lord knows that they don't have the I-have-a-brain-in-my-head vote.

The idea that those 11M people are voluntarily uninsured when insurance is so expensive is ridiculous. I love how these guys have decided that, even though they don't know every one of those situations, they are voluntarily uninsured. What a bunch of crap!