Michael Vick Given Standing Ovation in Philadelphia Debut

Stay Classy Philly, wouldnt expect anything different.

PHILADELPHIA -- All eyes were on Michael Vick -- for all of six plays.

Playing his first NFL game since his release from prison, the Eagles quarterback got a standing ovation in a half-empty stadium, avoided any ugly protests and completed four passes for 19 yards.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=290827021

it will be because of his play on the field, not because of his off field actions.

A novel concept. Bravo to them.

Link?

I seriously doubt that it had anything to do with anything else.

person and role model.

Look in the mirror. Judge others when you start acting in a humane fashion.

No hate here just a simple question....

I didn't say I hate him. If he had been introduced when I was there I would have sat quietly and not stood. I admire great football players but not one who did something as disgusting as he did. He may yet win my admiration if he actually does something more with his life in a positive way other than just play football and not simply court ordered service.

You have posted a dozens times on this subject today alone, and your message is pure intolerance of Vick for the mistake he made and complete lack of forgiveness despite the punishment he received. Your posts here today do not reflect an attitude of admiration for anything nor do they even suggest a willingness to "sit quietly".

He didn't care. He got off on cruelty.

Your defense of him is grotesque.

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I can't believe any people on DU think he deserved that ovation. This is making me ill. I've got to get away from this disgusting thread.

for the contemptible things they do?

Personally, I believe that people who apologize for those contemptible people play a huge role in the process of the decaying of our social structure.

It's part of the package.

do, is demand that everyone else hold him in contempt.

That's not your right.

You're reaching.

... and he should be denied the right to work in the profession of his choice? He should be subject to public ridicule and/or injured?

Not much of a reach when it is in your face.

Oh, right. Since that felon is a pro football player.

Getting out of jail is no guarantee that you'll get whatever job you want. Oh, and almost any job that requires a background check is closed to felons, either officially or in practice. And there are lots of those.

Most felons spend years trying to rebuild their reputations and their lives. Why should Michael Vick be any different?

We'll let it go at that.

There's no reason for any felon to assume they'll get to work in their chosen profession.

and let athletes be what they are, athletes. Nothing more. Nothing less.

:)

Atlanta took off under Matt Ryan.

My team already has a Hall of Famer.

signed Vick up as the back-up.

Peyton has class (I'm a University of TN fan and graduate - his who family is classy).

probably one of the most overrated IMHO.

DUzy!

Only victims have the moral opportunity to forgive a transgression... the rest of us merely forget.

And Eagles fans are historically the lowest of them.

So this news is disgusting and disappointing, but hardly surprising.

Just wonderin.

Hockey or football.

As a hockey fan, I've personally had more run ins with Flyer fans. But Eagles fans have a more notable record of disgusting actions.

I've got history to back me up, buddy. What do you have?

I guess you win, Mr. Bigot.

it's own court and jail...

Hell, in Premier League I root for Liverpool. Our fans were banned from an entire continent.

likes people who torture and kill animals.

who tortures and kills animals representing there team.

YAY, he can throw a football, who cares if he's a sadistic psychotic?


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It's only those enthralled by "spectacle" who admire or "forgive" him.

I do have a question for you: Was he punished for his crime?

Animal cruelty is not treated as harshly as it should be.

Not with Vick.

You need to think this through.

but I doubt you're capable of profiting thereby.

Why did you bring up crime and punishment? His depravity has been covered elsewhere, and excused by his apologists thoroughly enough.

This discussion is about worshiping a monster; I'm indicting those "fans" who place adoration of prowess above any concept of decent human behavior.

Do try to stay on topic.

I'm on topic and responding to YOUR post in context. You're the one who wandered off.

He's been punished for his crime. See if you can push this into your brain along with all your hate and intolerance. No room?

The topic is fan adulation, not Vick's crime.



If you have hero-worship for someone who tortures animals, then I will admit I find your personal stance intolerable. If you can pretend to find anything else "intolerant" about me, then continue to appease yourself. Pshaw, *I'm* intolerant because I find animal cruelty reprehensible! I can't think of many places where that sentiment would resonate.

You're transparent.

You cannot divorce the fact that this criminal was caught, tried, convicted, and punished for his crimes. He served out his sentence, and is now a free man. For you to constantly piss and moan about his crimes suggests that you don't believe that his punishment was adequate because you feel the punishment should continue.

Now, take you insults and shove them deep up your ass. I'm done here.

It's about you, Super-Star fan. You idolize soulless brutality.

I think the main purpose of incarceration is public safety. People who are a continuing danger to people or animals, or who are likely to return to their criminal behavior, should be removed from the public. Not tortured, not even deprived of a decent life...but not walking around free.

Vick is one of these, imo.

If only.

:toast:

Lions, Bengals, Bears, Cardinals, Ravens, Sea Hawks and Falcons.

I predicted he'd be back immediately after he got busted. A lot of people were saying he was done and I said not a chance! As long as someone thought they could make money off him playing football, he'd be back. Remember how many chances Steve Howe got?
I said all he had to do was claim to have found Jesus and people would fall for it and forgive him. He didn't even wait to get locked up. He was interviewed after one of his first hearings and blurted it out. It was obvious someone told him to make sure and get that in.
He may have learned his lesson but we will have to wait and see. Off field behavior will tell.

Or is that just a nasty rumor?

Then again when paramedics wheeled a stretcher onto the field. He had a neck injury.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/news/1999/10/11/philly_fans_ap/

Not the sort of thing I want to remember, really.

I don't care what you think of the opposing team - that was beyond the pale.

I was thinking about their proclivity for booing anything that moves. But yeah, like the poster above says, they did indeed cheer Michael Irvin's spinal injury. I stand corrected.

Fucking sickos in that crowd.

I hope they lose all their games and the fans of other teams pelt Vick with dog biscuits.

what is wrong with those people! :mad:

He did do his time - so if you believe in the justice system then you know he has paid for his crimes.

And he can play football well.

too vile and contemptible for most humans to grasp. Then these "fans" will look like the bloodthirsty ghouls they are.

the evidence you use for diagnosing him as a sociopath? Thanks.

animals as he drowned them, electrocuted them, hanged them, and slammed them against concrete walls?

To do something so horrific to such innocent creatures...something is not right with that type of person. My previous foster dog was evidently set on fire. It takes a sick individual to hurt an animal.

It's only a matter of time before he's in trouble again.

Some are the usual suspects, but others have really surprised and disappointed me.

claiming he didn't know what was happening on his own property?

I'm asking, because I am curious if you are intending to use the word correctly, or if you are simply using it to express strong feelings against him. I'm not trying to defend his disguting actions, nor to engage in an argument. Just inquiring about your intentions with the use of a single word.

Anti-social personality disorder. Same thing, nicer sounding name.

Here are the criteria. One must meet three of these to be Dx'ed (I think Vick qualifies):


Diagnostic Criteria of DSM-IV

The DSM-IV (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, More) describes Antisocial Personality Disorder as follows:

There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three (or more) of the following:

* failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviours as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;
* deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;
* Impulsivity or failure to plan ahead;
* Irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;
* Reckless disregard for safety of self or others;
* Consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honour financial obligations;
* Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another;
* The individual is at least age 18 years.

There is evidence of Conduct Disorder with onset before age 15 years.

it sure is. But a number of people, including those who subscribe to the Hare Checklist, etc, are aware of it at very least being a wide spectrum. There are lots and lots of people who fit ASPD who are surely not sociopaths. And, dispite the recent change that you correctly mention in the US, words do have actual meanings.

Again, I'm not attempting to justify anything that Vick did. Quite the opposite. He's entirely responsible for vicious, anti-social behaviors that caused the suffering and deaths of animals. That should repulse everyone.

My interest, beyond Vick, has to do with societies' attitude towards animal cruelty. Obviously, I'm not saying that "society" represents everyone. But, I do have some thoughts about groups who engage, directly or indirectly, in cruelty to animals. That would include sub-cultures that torture dogs or bulls in the name of "sport." It also includes larger societies that engage in the cruelty that defines corporate "farms," where animals are systematically tortured, in preparation for market.

And I'm not bringing this up to distract from Vick. I am not in support of low sentencing standards for people who abuse animals in this way. I live in an area in upstate NY where people tend to get off far easier than he did. Let them commit a property crime, and the sentences are far stiffer. I think that the Vick case has the potential for helping animal rights advocates make progress.

You do that to dogs, what are you likely to do if you're annoyed by your wife, girlfriend, or some obnoxious fan?

Lots of correlations between animal abuse and people abuse.

As much as I dislike doing it, I think my decision to boycott the NFL until Vick is removed from the league (one game? one season? five season? who knows...?) resonates very well with my conscious.



A standing ovation for a guy who laughed about torturing animals. Ain't that America...

As a animal rescuer, I cannot begin to describe the horrors I've seen. I suppose those who can are better people. I just can't forgive, knowing the hell experienced at the hands of Vick.

I think every market's team has their share of assholes. Philly just happens to stand out for some because of past actions. Frankly, I think that because they've now been stereotyped, it might be easier and more likely to have actions like this just out of lowered expectations. At any rate, not all Philly fans are assholes, and to expect a stadium full of football fans at their home field to NOT take a "stand" like that in support of that torturing douchebag isn't realistic.

I admire your position, I really do. And if I hadn't been dealing with the seemingly endless "bad seeds" for the past 8 years, I may have been able to emulate it.

The one nice thing I can say is that it doesn't seem to be limited to Philly fans. Most sports fans on the East Coast seem to be quite coarse. Philly fans just seem to know how to take it to the next level.

But I do know a number of Philly fans that are nothing like the idiots that seem to get the attention. I'm obviously far removed from the Philly sports scene. I did grow up in MA, so I spent much of my younger years at Boston Garden, Fenway and Foxboro Stadium. That was a different time, though. I don't *think* someone like Vick might have gotten a second shot in the late 1970's.

I have gone to Phillies games regularly over the years, and have never been harassed or endured anything worse than having to sit in front of cursing Mets fans or fend off a polite but overly-flirtatious male usher. It gets hot at those games, and I blush now to think of some of the short shorts and halters I used to wear back in the day - but still, no harassment. In general, people are there to see the game. Plus there are enough women and/or Dads with children in the seats that the guys who might want to act out would be shamed out of it pretty quickly.

At my first (and only) Eagles game, my girlfriend and I were repeatedly barraged with filthy suggestions even though we were bundled up in burka-like winter coats. A coarser, cruder bunch of pigs you are unlikely to find anywhere. Pigs. Sorry to stereotype, but you get that many drunk men in one place without any women or kids to keep the brakes on their behavior, and things deteriorate pretty quickly.

Not surprised that they cheered Michael Vick.

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I wont be the leat bit surprised to see him on the injured list very soon if he is given much playtime.

You value humans less than animals.

Thanks for that. No more mysteries.

and take some consequences. No more, no less.

Wrong as usual.

You value humans less than animals.

You were saying, Drama Queen?

Hence my mocking you for it.

I would of played "How much is that doggie in the window"

every timew he touched the ball.

He had to sponsor dog fights to make more?

And this pig gets a standing ovation.

:puke:

I believe the man has been rehabilitated and will be a productive member of society. He did the crime and served his time. He acknowledges what he did was wrong and he has apologized.

I would like to take my hat of to the Eagles organization, coach, players and fans for giving a nice welcome to Michael Vick.

It's nice to see that we can forgive and move forward.

This story gives me hope that we can forgive people who have committed criminal acts and move forward as a society.

Enjoy your meat tonight!!