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TwixVoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:17 PM
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Target may be open on Christmas
Edited on Fri Aug-28-09 05:28 PM by TwixVoy
I just was talking with one of my former co-workers at Target on AIM who was in management with me.

Apparently the company sent down a memo to the stores that there is a possibility (if sales are bad enough) to keep the stores open all day Christmas day.

Talk about getting desperate. In the years I was with the company that was NEVER an option before.

If HQ is considering staying open on Christmas then they are really expecting holiday sales to be absolutely horrible.

From what he told me they ARE going to close on Easter. Last year we stayed open on easter, (which was out of the norm) but it ended up being a complete waste and the sales didn't justify it.

I remember on Christmas Eve last year HQ sent down an email to all of us in the stores during the middle of the day on Christmas Eve and told us to keep the stores open longer than we had planned because the sales had been so bad during the day. We had a LOT of pissed off team members who had to stay 2-3 hours longer than they were originally told on Christmas Eve.

I should add Thanksgiving day is also mentioned on the memo as TBA.... which would be yet another first if they keep the stores open on that day too. I would not be surprised though. Last year black friday was a disaster for us. Not only did sales fail to meet expectations, but we didn't have anything of actual value for the most part.... and the stuff we did have only lasted the first 10 minutes.

Also some of the higher volume stores will be open until midnight through November/December which is another first. With the extended hours in previous years no store stayed open past 11PM.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:19 PM
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1. It will be interesting to see if Target will threaten employees with discharge
if they prefer to be at home with their families on Christmas Day.
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TwixVoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:21 PM
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4. Well according to policy
As long as a person calls in 2 hours before a shift they are OK. They CAN be written up for it if happens a lot.... but it would be against company policy to terminate someone for doing it one time.

Now of course that won't stop some stores from making empty threats....
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:37 PM
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23. Who decides what "a lot" is?
Target don't allow unions do they?

Don
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TwixVoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:43 PM
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30. Nope
Who decides what a lot is? We in management had full decision over that... and trust me it wasn't fair. Some people would be terminated for doing it 3 times in one year. Some (who were favorites) got to do it 3 times a month and it was ignored.

They don't allow unions. If you want to see just what they think of unions view these links:

http://www.wikileaks.com/wiki/Target_Employee_Free_Choice_Act_anti-union_memos%2C_Aug_2009
Target Employee Free Choice Act anti-union memos, Aug 2009

These memos are actually a few months old. I saw them before I left the company a few months ago. The anti-union training was nuts. I mean complete propaganda.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=6171031
This DU thread had discussion about one of the anti-union DVDs all employees have to watch. Target had it pulled from every web site that was hosting it. I will post the transcript below this message.

Target was hell for anyone who wasn't management. In management I couldn't stand this BS I was asked to do all the time. Glad to be out of there, and I am now with an employer that has a union and have already joined!
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TwixVoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:44 PM
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32. Transcript
Target Union DVD Video Training Transcription

Person 1: Welcome to Target where we know you'll have a terrific experience. I'm Doug.

Person 2: And I'm Maria and even if you already started working here you're already part of an important team and a great Target Store.

Person 1: That's right. Now you were chosen to work in our store because we think you'll help us achieve our vision of being the best company ever.
Person 2: You'll probably learn something new every day. At least for a little while.

Person 1: There will also be a lot of challenges. But there's nothing we can't solve by working together. The leadership team and your fellow team members are anxious to help you and to make working at Target a positive and rewarding experience.

Person 2: If you ever have a question all you have to do is ask it. Everyone here from the CEO down wants you to be successful. In fact Target prides its self on our open door policy. Ask your team leader, ask your ETL , or ask any supervisor. There doors and every door are always open to you and what you have to say. Two way communications, fair dealings are a key part of our culture and a key part of our success.

Person 1: We're in a very competitive business, and we're changing all the time. We have to. In order to stay ahead of the other guys. Now just a few years ago we really didn't sell that much in the way of grocery items, but now well many of our stores have a full line grocery. And others sell many more food items which means that we're now competing not only with other retailers but with grocery stores too.

Person 2: That's a huge challenge but we believe we can win the battle with the competition because not only do we have high quality products at competitive prices we've got the best guest service in the business. And because we're the best that makes those of us at Target a target our selves.

Person 1: We're a Target because we're a threat to unions. The unions that represent grocery store workers.

Person 2: When we take business away from unionized grocery stores that means they need fewer employees.

Person 1: And fewer grocery store employees means fewer union members. And fewer members? Well that's a problem for the union business. That's right, I said business. Union business.





Person 2: A union is not a charity. It's not a club and it's not part of the government. It's a business. A business that has to take in money to survive. But it doesn't have any products to sell. All it has is memberships to sell. A unions only source of income is the money they charge members.

Person 1: Money for initiation, dues, fines, assessments. You get the picture. So it's pretty obvious that the fewer members their business has the less money they collect.

Person 2: The unions only alternative is to get more people to pay their hard earned money to them in dues every month.

Person 1: And that's becoming more and more of a problem for unions every day.



Person 1: 50 years ago one out of every 3 workers was in a union. Today that number excluding government workers is dropped to less than 1 in 10.

Person 2: One of the biggest reasons is that workers know that all the good things unions once did child safety laws, workmans comp, all of that they're all laws today. Laws protecting workers. They were passed along time ago.

Person 1: And no body wants to pay dues for something they already have.

Person 2: So the numbers just keep going down. You can see why the union would want to organize us here at Target.

Person 1: If the unions did try to organize Target team members they could also try and bring along there way of doing business. An old fashioned rigid structure.

Person 2: Old fashioned is right. Being able to change quickly and adapt to new opportunities being flexible. That's the key to running a successful business in todays market and we've got the flexibility now.

Person 1: Right you are. No one knows exactly what could happen. But there are lots of examples of how rigid grocery store contracts could hurt our stores ability to serve guests and actually hurt our team members in the process.

Person 2: Here's what we mean. Let's say you're working in stationary but you're walking through domestics on your way to check on something. A guest stops you and ask for help. What would you do? With out even thinking about it you'd stop and give them any assistance they required.



Person 2: But what if union work rules say you can't work outside of your department? What do you tell the guest? Sorry I can't help you? That makes you look bad. But more importantly it means our guest doesn't get immediate attention and they might not come back. So everyone gets hurt. Everyone except the union. Right now team members can get more hours based on their ability to cover more than one area. You have the option of being cross trained and becoming a more valuable member of your team.

Person 1: That's right. But with a rigid union contract that may no longer be an option.

Person 2: Also under the old fashioned union rules that really haven't changed in decades seniority rules. Rather than treating people as individuals everything depends on when you were hired. Schedules, job assignments, promotions, transfers, even days off are often decided by seniority only.

Person 1: And that can be one of the least efficient and really not a nice way to operate. There is no regard for individual skills and needs of each team member. Top workers suffer because their performance isn't reflected in job assignments or promotions and the company suffers because the best qualified people don't necessarily get the right jobs.

Person 2: Once again the only winner is the union. That can justify collecting dues from people that don't get the jobs or hours they want based simply on that seniority date. They don't have to offer an explanation at all about why someone else might be better qualified for the job and at Target we don't have those rigid rules. We're open and honest. You've got the desire, we'll tell you what you need to do to get ready for another assignment. We believe in putting the best person in every job based on their qualifications not on seniority. That helps to keep our employees productive and our guests happy.

Person 1: And speaking of our guests they can also be a Target of the unions. Some day you might come in to work and find pickets telling guests to not shop at Target. Or you might read articles about unions threatening to boycott our stores just to scare away our guests and encourage them to shop somewhere else. None of that helps you or any other team member. After all every one of us depends on our guests for our jobs.

Person 2: That's right because the union needs your dues money at some point you might be asked to join. We'll talk about the tactics organizers might use in a minute.

Person 1: But first it's important for you to know Targets philosophy on unions.

Jim Rowader (Target Director, Labor Relations & Sr. Counsel): Hi. I'm Jim Rowader. Team members have the right to join unions, but they also have a right not to join unions. Experience has shown us that after learning the facts Target team members agree union representation is not in their best interest. In fact not one group of Target team members today has chosen to be represented by a union. Ultimately what works best for Target and our team members is the ability to meet challenges, resolve issues, and grow the business together. With out the interferance of a union or other 3rd party. 3rd party representation, trying to divide us, is contrary to our company philosophy and beliefs. Our team environment strives to create a clear direct path of communication. We believe in solving issues and concerns by working together. All of us. Team members, team leaders, group leaders, supervisors, and managers will work together to insure an environment open to discussing and resolving concerns. Target celebrates the success of team members and strives to recognize excellent performance. We do these things because it is the right thing to do. And because we believe working together with out union representation is the best way to grow and flourish. I'm convinced that a union would not improve anything at Target. Not for our team members, not for our guests, and not for our company. Bottom line at Target you don't need to pay dues to a third party to have a work place where world class team members work together, listen to each other, and treat each other with dignity and respect.

Person 1: World class team members. That's you, and at Target we respect you. Every effort is made to insure a rewarding work experience as well as being fast, fun, and friendly.

Person 2: No team member has ever had to pay one nickel of their pay check to a union to get fair treatment from Target.

Person 1: We said earlier that you might some day be asked to join a union. It's happened before. Unions have spent hundreds of hours picketing our stores and asking team members to sign up. But not one group of team members, not one anywhere in the whole company has ever decided they needed a union.

Person 2: So some day you might be asked to sign a union card or petition authorizing a union to represent you.

Person 1: You may not realize it, but your signature on that card or petition is very valuable to a union.

Person 2: It's true your autograph can create a legal contract obligating you to the union.

Person 1: And that won't be what a union organizer tells you though. You may hear statements like your signature isn't important it's just to get more information. Or just sign the card every body else is doing it.

Person 2: The card its self is not dangerous, but the words printed on it are. Lots of times union cards or petitions contain words like I hereby authorize the union to represent me or I hereby accept membership when you sign one of those you may be joining the union.

Person 1: Your signature could be used by the union to get the right to legally represent you and collect dues with out even letting you vote.

Person 2: Some unions have even gone so far as to use signatures to force themselves on employees even after the majority of employees have voted against the union representation.

Person 1: Right. You may be wondering ok, why is that such a big deal? It's a big deal because when a union becomes a team members representative that team member loses the legal right to deal directly with the management team.

Person 2: No more open door. With a union you no longer have your own voice. Have a great suggestion? You can't take it directly to your manager. You have to go through the union layers. Need help with a problem? Same thing. Someone else will do the talking for you. And there's no guarantee you'll like what they have to say. Guarantees. Guarantees and promises. That's something else you might hear from a union. Unions often make big promises about wages and benefit increases if the team member will only sign their card. Those are promises they can't keep.

Person 1: The fact is a union can't guarantee anything they promise. Even if there was a union here the company can and would legally demand that Target and only Target would make the final decision on all wages and benefits regardless of what the union promises.

Person 2: In other words management doesn't have to agree to any union demand. If the union demands seem potentially harmful to the company, too expensive, or not too smart management can simply say no.

Person 1: We realize that's a lot of information, but it's very important. Important to Target and important to you.

Person 2: The risk of getting a union with out a vote, big promises that can't be kept, pressure on guests not to shop at our stores, for all those reasons and a whole lot more please think hard before you sign any card or petition.

Person 1: You'll always have the right to make a choice here at Target. And that includes refusing to sign any union authorization.

Person 2: You also have the right to work with out fear of union harassment or soliciation. If you're approached while you're working you have the right to discuss the situation with any member of the leadership team. Remember their doors always open and you can speak with them directly. Target will enforce solicitation, distribution, and harassment policies.

Person 1: That's right. We feel strongly that once you learn the facts you'll decide that having a union at Target might benefit the union because they could collect your dues.

Person 2: But it's not in the best interest of the company or the team members.

Person 1: Refuse to sign and keep Target union free.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #32
41. Thanks for posting all this. nt
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:20 PM
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2. Would staying open for Christmas Day
really result in enough sales to make up for a bad holiday season?
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TwixVoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:22 PM
Response to Reply #2
7. No highly unlikely
but I suspect it will be a move just like last year telling us to stay open later on christmas eve just to get every last dollar they can.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:20 PM
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3. Alleluia! Holy Sh*t! ... Where's the Tylenol?
Is nothing sacred anymore? :evilgrin:

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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:21 PM
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5. I remember Tower Records being open on holidays...
...they were like flypaper for people who got cash / gift certificates / etc. for gifts. Somehow I don't see this gambit paying off for Target, but you never know.
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:44 PM
Response to Reply #5
31. yeah, the local record store when I was a teen would be open the night of Christmas
and they'd do a pretty brisk business, as I recall. I ended up there numerous times...
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 10:24 PM
Response to Reply #31
43. Yes...and they would have new releases of albums as I recall on Christmas and Easter.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:21 PM
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6. Well not everyone is Christian/celebrates Christmas...
so I don't see what the big deal is.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #6
9. It's a big deal for the employees who are, I'd think.
Me, I don't give a fuck. Time and a half, bay-bee. Time and a half.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:26 PM
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11. That's what most of my Christian friends who work on Christmas say.
Time and a half, indeed.

Sort of puts things in perspective, doesn't it?

This is a tempest in a teapot.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:35 PM
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19. For most folks it's a family day...
Not for me, so much, but a lot of people have a tradition of doing the family thing even if they aren't Christians. A lot of them aren't going to be happy being stuck in a mostly empty store all day.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. Sure... fortunately most folks don't work at Target.
I'm sure there are more than enough employees who need the money who will be happy to stand around an empty store that day.
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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #11
27. if either eve or day is on a sunday
Edited on Fri Aug-28-09 05:40 PM by realisticphish
my dad gets double time and a half. We always told him to work those days, and we'll do presents, etc another day, or with the larger family (which is usually the saturday after)
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #27
28. I grew up poor, and if either of my parents had the opportunity,
they worked those days.

Family time is nice and all... but so is eating and paying bills. There's nothing inherently special about that day... it's all marketing and BS.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:25 PM
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10. I'm not all that certain that anyone who celebrates Christmas is a Christian
Edited on Fri Aug-28-09 05:26 PM by ThomWV
The older I get the more it seems to me that the holiday of christmas is only kept alive by merchandizers, that there aren't enough practicing Christians left around to keep it going as a holiday. Its not like the 4th of July, a day everyone's got a stake in.
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:28 PM
Response to Reply #6
12. Personally I don't, but theoretically I do.
Edited on Fri Aug-28-09 05:29 PM by dmallind
Christmas is just a day off to me, but 83% of the country are nominal Christians at least, and many who aren't still do the family thing "religiously" - pun intended. Not many are likely to be shopping for discount consumer goods. Now bars should be open on Christmas - especially starting mid afternoon and evening when the family thing gets old for many of us. They would definitely see good custom - as the few who do open have done in my experience. In fact my main regular haunt these days has a strict 365 day open and close on the times shown policy, and I respect their commitment. I am never there at closing time, and typically they do have a late night crowd, but I always appreciate the approach to a business that will never disappoint an intended customer who finds the place closed when the door timetable lists it as being open.
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muffin1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:29 PM
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13. Well, it does suck if you are one of the employees scheduled to work.
The company I work for is open 365 days a year, so a few clerks have to work Christmas and/or Thanksgiving.
I used to have a Jewish employee who would work as much as possible for time and a half Christmas pay - that gave a couple of part-timers the day off.

But generally speaking, most people prefer to be at home on major holidays.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:33 PM
Response to Reply #13
16. There usually are other employees who need the money,
and will gladly swap shifts.
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muffin1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #16
20. I usually was able to fill most of the shifts,
but it took a fair amount of begging and promising future incentives. Of course, it was and is a minimum wage job, so even at time and a half it wasn't all that lucrative.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:22 PM
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8. Huh... Chances are they'll lose money even if they do...
Who in the hell is going to be shopping at Target on Christmas?
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #8
14. Kids exchanging the crappy presents they got from well meaning but clueless uncles and aunts
for video games.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #14
18. I doubt it...
First, that assuming anyone actually KNOWS it'll be open, and second, the place is usually like a graveyard after a certain time on the holidays we are open.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 06:03 PM
Response to Reply #18
37. Yeah you're right
Besides, Target doesn't make much money of a kid exchanges $50 worth of dorky clothes for a $50 video game.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:32 PM
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15. why pay time n a half for a religion. if they want to work fine, if not fine nt
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:33 PM
Response to Reply #15
17. It's not "for religion", it's for a federal holiday. (nt)
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lolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:36 PM
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21. What's the problem?
I don't think they got the store to where it is today by being complete idiots. If begin open on Christmas really does cost more than it brings in, they wouldn't do it.

I'm guessing a lot of workers will jump at the chance to get time and a half. They can probably get the workers they need by asking for volunteers. They probably won't have a full crew--no need for pharmacy, photo studio, etc.

I've been to stores occasionally on Xmas day--forgot something for the dinner, found out about an unexpected guest and wanted to get a quick gift,whatever--and they've always been crowded.

I dunno. I just don't see this as the end of the world.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:37 PM
Response to Reply #21
24. I don't get the outrage either. (nt)
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lolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:45 PM
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34. Guess I have a different perspective
My mother was a nurse, graveyard shift. Pretty much worked every Christmas Eve or Christmas Night that I remember.

Everybody needs extra $ on Christmas, even Target workers. Why not put in a few hours in the middle on the day (I doubt they'll be open at the crack of dawn until late on night on Xmas) and get some money? What are people doing in the middle of the day on Christmas anyway? Once you've opened gifts, you sit around and wait until dinner. Some people I know would probably love to go anywhere to get away from the houseful of relatives, even work.

Many drugstores and restaurants stay open on Christmas, and they seem to manage staffing.
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TwixVoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #21
25. THEY did not get the stores to where they are today
If you actually worked for Target you would know that. Most of upper management consists of brand new people to the company these days. Literally most of upper management has been with the company 2-3 years on average. The company "purged" all of the veteran upper management folks 4 years ago to cut costs. The company has been slowly going down hill sense then.
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #21
29. Exactly... the Christmas fetish is not universal.
It's a religious holiday. If your religion dictates you need to be doing something else, don't go shopping, or ask for the day off if you work there. It's not some sort of national outrage.

I'm sure plenty of people will appreciate the convenience. I may make it a point to go on a long shopping trip there that day, as it certainly won't be too crowded.
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TwixVoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #29
33. You've never worked retail have you?
You don't get to "ask for the day off". It would NEVER be allowed. As a former retail manager I can think of ZERO situations when such a request would be approved.
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lolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:59 PM
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35. So, they're staffing it like a normal day?
That doesn't seem likely--or very economical. More likely, they'll have a reduced crew and ask for volunteers, like restaurants usually do.

What hours are they going to be open? What terrible things will happen to the employees who work those hours? OK,there will be opening and closing crews, but geez. Plan the day around it. Life goes on. This isn't like Scrooge, begrudging his clerks one day off. They're getting time and a half. I'd go teach a class on Christmas day if they paid me overtime.
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TwixVoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 06:02 PM
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36. I never said it would be horrible for them to work
Where did I say that? Show me.

I simply pointed out the fact you've obviously never worked retail - otherwise you would be aware of the fact it is a general policy at most retailers that an employee can NOT request a holiday off EVER. It is the luck of the draw if they are scheduled or not. On holidays usually most people are - regardless of how busy it is.
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lolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 10:16 PM
Response to Reply #36
42. Have you worked at "most retailers?"
Or just at Target?

If they are open at Christmas, they will not just treat it as an ordinary day. Sorry, but they won't. There won't even be work for many of the employees, since there will presumably be no deliveries. And, while it's true that the folks running the show are not going to win any Nobel prizes in economics, if they are boneheaded enough to bring in a full crew for Christmas--at time and a half--then what the heck. It's their loss as much as the employees.

And I have worked at fast food and cafeteria-type establishments enough to know that any "gravy" or OT is appreciated by a good number of workers, who would be more than happy to take a shift from a worker who was, in your scenario, given the "luck of the draw."

It's not that none of us has ever worked in retail. It's that not all of us see working on Christmas as an unimaginable event. As I said, my mother worked pretty much every Christmas I can remember. It's not even that I hate Christmas. I love Christmas and the whole holiday thing.
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 06:11 PM
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38. Yes, I worked retail...
not recently, but I'd guess any manager with any sense would at least ask for volunteers to work the day rather than ruthlessly assigning all the devout people to work while ignoring those who want to work for the overtime.

Or is most scheduling actually done based on maximizing spite among the workforce?
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TwixVoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 06:25 PM
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40. Obviously you were not a retail manager at a big box
I was. Let me tell you how it goes down at Target.

HQ has a scheduling system called MAX. It RANDOMLY assigns shifts to people based on the availability they gave when hired. No one manually creates schedules, and HQ REQUIRES that we use it. Whatever the system generates that is your schedule.

At mega retail stores with over 100 employees we don't sit around and ask for volunteers every schedule. Most in management don't give a fu** what the team member wants, and the system is set up to work with that in mind.

That is one of the many reasons why retail is hell. And why unions are opposed so much.
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qazplm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 06:20 PM
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39. its a religious and secular holiday
I am agnostic and I still love to celebrate Christmas. Being with loved ones, exchanging thoughtful gifts, a day of relaxation and happiness, there is nothing wrong with that even if it is a made up birthday for one religion's deity.
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maryellen99 Donating Member (342 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:39 PM
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26. I'm surprised Walmart hasn't already done it nt
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