6th grade girl choked, arrested for refusing to have school picture taken

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and that could have been me in the 7th grade... I refused to take my picture that year.

There are a LOT of people beneath this post mentioning ED students. This was not established in the OP. The ED angle was brought up, IMO, as a way of justifying or explaining the conduct of the police (and ZOMGWTFBBQ big surprise there, if true), but the status of the student as an ED student- whatever that is- is in no way established by the article linked in the OP, and is thus pure speculation which is IMO intended to justify the acts in question.

a young school-girl is perpetrated by school authorities. A lot of people in American public life, no matter how modest their role, seem to have a "myrmidon", "I've been given authority" mindset. What gives?

It sure seems that way in America now.

Hell, why stop at tasing? They could waterboard her. It's America, after all. The digusting land of the fooled.

would have been to tase her repeatedly until she was dead. I think the girl was black, after all.

:grr:

correct course of action?

... and the school can't comment.

little girls are extremely self conscious about their looks. I was mortified by having my photo taken as an 11 year old and always avoided them. Nowhere does the article say that she "threw a fit".

Sounds like a fit.

I'd like to hear both sides of the story.

:eyes:

Maybe the Trilateral Commission is involved.

and not even far fetched.

to coverup the beating they gave her because she wouldn't take a picture.

Yeah. No.

And they especially never falsely blame the injured party for police inflected injuries.

Yeah...no.

Some people think Occam's Razor gives them license to be dismissive of any possibility that they can't wrap their minds about.

If someone tried to manhandle me trying to take my picture, I'd throw a fit too.

can remember. But the idea of throwing her to the ground, handcuffing her and arresting her would have been completely off the radar. Unthinkable. Beyond grotesque. And that would have been the case if she'd been 16 stone, instead of a slip of a thing.

Indeed, I very much doubt if handcuffs would have been resorted to in REFORMATORY SCHOOLS, BORSTALS, for criminal teenagers, once they had arrived - if before.

If you need to hear both sides of the story, you need to be thrown to the ground and handcuffed and placed in a secure institution for people who are too slow to be viable outside.

Especially, in the case of an ED student. So, we are getting one side of the story from the father and girl.

My guess is that the girl probably had an emotional outburst over the stress about getting her picture taken and had to be restrained. After she was calmed she was made to take the picture. That would explain why the police officer felt the need to get involved.

But, that's just reading between the lines from a former ED teacher.

"Disrupting school, disorderly conduct, obstructing an officer", doesnt sound like the girls side of the story.

Please walk me thru your scenario.

The girl is told she has to have her picture taken and she objects for some reason good or bad. Maybe she is even emotional about it. So what happened next? The school officials try to comfort her or calm her and help her with her troubles? They say she can come back another time? Most likely not.

Most likely when she objected, they took it as an affront to their authority and got tough and most likely rough and the scene escalated. Of course they can always justify rough treatment. Just say she was obstructing an officer.

Most likely the girl needed some compassion not handcuffs.

question them or they will taze you.

"high". "Hey man, I got tazed last weekend". "Oh yeah, they zapped me 4 times and made my hair fizzle". "Cooooooool"

start the rumor that kids are misbehaving intentionally to provoke officers into tazing them. Then make up some story about them getting high off it. Once the authorities think they enjoy it, they'll outlaw it and they won't do it any longer.

... that can be released. It's not the school's side.

I'll tell you a story of when I was teaching that has similar tones to it and popped into my head when I read the story. About two years ago I was a teacher in a self contained ED classroom. It was the time of year when were doing school pictures and the time for my class to go to the gym for pictures was fast approaching. A 4th grade female student (we'll call her Claire) with bi-polar disorder and anxiety problems came to school with her hair done nicely with the intention of looking her best for her school pictures. Because of the timing of the pictures though we were forced to take them after recess. We told and told and told Claire to be careful when she was playing because it might mess up her hair. She shrugged it off and told us she didn't care. Well, after recess was over her hair was a mess. As the time approached for her to get her pictures she started to become upset. I let two of my female aides help her with her hair as a means to calm her. Finally, it was time to go down for pictures. As I lined the class up to go down for pictures she became very upset that her hair "looked horrible". We told her that her hair looked fine, but she was already spiraling towards a fit. Seeing that she was heading towards a blow up, I sent the rest of the class down with two of my aides. This only further upset Claire because she wouldn't be able to take her pictures with the rest of the class. I told her that she could either go down with the class with her hair as is (which actually looked good), or she could wait for a later time. She only became more distressed because neither option were satisfactory to her. To make a long story short, her anger led to her breaking her school supplies. When we took away the school supplies (because her family couldn't afford to buy more) she flipped her desk over and started tearing apart text books and throwing them at us. When we took away the text books, she started punching and biting us (as was normal for her). Eventually, we were forced to put her in the time out room until she was calm.

I left a bunch of steps out where we tried to calm her, but as is often the case, when an ED kid starts spiraling there is little that can actually calm them. It is very hard to reason with them because they aren't thinking rationally at the time.

I find it hard to believe that the teacher and the police officer just decided to "get tough" with the kid. For one, it wouldn't work. And, for two, there would be no upside to it. Any time you have to get physical with a student you are putting your career and safety at risk, and opening yourself up for a law suit. No professional teacher I know would take that kind of a chance without being damn sure it was necessary.

As, I have said, we are only getting the father and the child's side of the story. Schools, in most cases, are forbidden from discussing disciplinary matters with the public (especially if they involve ED kids). We have no way of knowing what actions were actually taken, unless she is showing signs of injury. But, if she's self injurious (as many ED kids are) that wouldn't really prove anything.

Unless more information becomes available, we shouldn't swallow a one sided story completely.

needed.

Just don't make the girl get her damn photo taken. In all my years as a student I never saw a cop in a public school forcing teenage girls to get their pictures taken. Nor did I ever hear stories of people being *forced* to have photos taken. What ever happened to DETENTION?

... it was a common practice for the middle school to have an officer available for when the ED students became violent. A 12, 13,14 (we've even had 17) year old student becomes physically dangerous enough that an educational aide (making around $8.50 an hour) has no business trying to restrain them. That's just part of the safety measures you have to take when the state requires you provide a "free, fair, and appropriate" education to every student.

Like I said earlier in the thread, I really doubt the cop took part in the making the student take the picture. The cop wouldn't have any standing to do that. I would probably say there is a lot to this story that isn't coming to light. Getting the student and her father's version probably isn't the best place to start.

She doesn't look like a physically dangerous kid who would need to be knocked down and handcuffed.

I bet the worst she did was say something sassy.

but your own prejudices based on your experience as an ED teacher.

There isn't any indication anywhere that this child is an ED student, but you keep harping on that.

require picture IDs for students and staff in order to protect people who should be on school grounds from those who should not.

You said:" So, we are getting one side of the story from the father and girl." But we also got this side: "Disrupting school, disorderly conduct, obstructing an officer" which obviously isnt from the girl or father and which you call factual. Give me a break. The story the school tells is factual but not the girls story?

How do you know which side is factual? Seems you take the side of authority as "factual".

"I find it hard to believe that the teacher and the police officer just decided to "get tough" with the kid. For one, it wouldn't work. And, for two, there would be no upside to it. Any time you have to get physical with a student you are putting your career and safety at risk, and opening yourself up for a law suit. No professional teacher I know would take that kind of a chance without being damn sure it was necessary."

So your argument here is that because it would be stupid to "get tough", therefore it didn't happen. We see case after case of individuals in authority abusing that authority. A young man fell off an overpass and was busted up and couldnt obey the officers instructions, so he was tased 18 times and suffered brain damage. Not everyone in authority abuses it, but it happens and should ALWAYS BE CONSIDERED and not discounted.

That isn't the school's version of the story. It isn't an opinion, spin, or something that's in dispute. That is what the officer actually charged her with.

No, in fact we are also hearing the side of the officer involved. Just because she is charged doesnt make it a fact. Those are allegations from the officer involved, and not facts. I may be wrong but is sounded to me like the officer was employed by the school.

Why are you defending the officer and not the girl when you dont know what really happened?

... it is what she will be going to trial for. It would be a matter of public record. If you are reading the same story I'm reading, the officer didn't make any comments. The police report would be the officer's version of the story, but we don't have that. In fact, we don't have any information at all except for what the student's family is alleging.

You're right, I don't know what happened, but then again neither do any of the other people on this thread attacking the officer. In my experience though, students that are in trouble are less than truthful when giving their version of why they are in trouble to their parents. And common sense tells me that if something like this actually occurred the photographers, other students, and about a dozen different witnesses would have been there to witness it and would be talking to the press.

Did she report herself or did the officer report her? It is a fact that the officer charged her with obstructing an officer, it isn't a fact that she did obstruct an officer. Currently, it is an allegation. A court will decide the facts.

The girl claimed she was handled roughly and the officer claims she was obstructing. She is innocent until proven guilty.

The reporter either looked it up, or the girl's family told the reporter.

If we are going with the innocent until proven guilty, we should assume the same for the police officer. Right now, the girl is making a bunch of allegations they may not be grounded in reality. We won't know until the whole thing plays out. But, being DU, we jump to the conclusion that the police officer just decided to kick a little girl's ass that day.

and the charges were dropped.

I really am amazed at how many DUers have no idea what a fact is.

because he never should have been arrested. what part of "the charges were dropped" isn't factual? i suspect the same thing will happen in this case, unless the adults lie well enough. the gates cop didn't lie well enough.

Innocent until proven guilty, except in the court of public opinion.


Edited to say:

Your story did shed the light of another perspective on this incident. It really does sound like a very similar circumstance. I also admired the way you handled it. I'm glad you didn't find it necessary to involve the police. Although I think excessive force was used in the instance under discussion, your experience helps to illuminate the shades of gray. So I thank you.

Why the hell are there police in a middle school arresting children? WTF?

And why are there always people on DU defending utter bullshit like this? I don't believe many of them are ingenuous - more probably just like to start arguments on progressive forums.

Especially, when that is all you have to go on.

You don't. No. Your attitude, as reflected in your comments, brings to mind the attitude Orlov (in his blog, "cluborlov.com") so astutely ascribes to your police, generally. If you're not in the force, you're the enemy.

The reservation expressed in your concluding sentence at least verges on sounding reasonable, but the overall tenour of your posts is clearly one-eyed, and that, not in favour of reasonable behaviour towards an unruly child.

The difference between the posts of you and HiFructose and the posts of the reasonable people in this matter is not that one is studiously neutral about what happened and the other, plain bigoted. It is that you two seem unable to grasp that the MANNER of the girl's restraint and the ISSUE that she got so upset about are the stuff of a nightmare society, not to be found ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD.

It is beyond me that people on here don't have the simple reading comprehension to tell the difference between facts and opinions. The report mentions what the charges are against her. Those are facts. It is a fact these charges are what she will face in court. I did not say that the charges were correct or even justified. I have no way of knowing that and neither does anyone else in this thread. They are just what the girl is charged with. Her innocence of guilt will be decided in court.

"It is that you two seem unable to grasp that the MANNER of the girl's restraint..."

We have no idea of how she was actually restrained. She could have been restrained appropriately (in the manner approved of by the school) and still received bruises. All we have is the word of a 6th grade girl who is looking to not be in trouble, and her family who was not there. For all we know, none of the events described in the report actually occurred. The charges could have been a method for having the student removed from the property after the parents refused to pick her up after being suspended (which happens a lot with kids that are repeatedly in trouble).

"...the ISSUE that she got so upset about are the stuff of a nightmare society, not to be found ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD. "

Girls don't get upset about their hair "ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD"?

perspective. My point was unanswerable, because you know that the minutiae of the charges are an irrelevance in the light of it.

"It is that you two seem unable to grasp that the MANNER of the girl's restraint and the ISSUE that she got so upset about are the stuff of a nightmare society, not to be found ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD."

That whole statement make no literal or grammatical sense.

Where does it say she was an ED student?

Can't you understand? WRESTLING TO THE FLOOR AND HANDCUFFS are inappropriate for children's emotional outbursts! ADULTS' for that matter.

My guess is that you weren't there either. All either of us have is this girl's version of the story. Do you think a 6th grader is going to be completely transparent about her own actions, especially if those actions would get her in trouble? If you believe that you must have absolutely no experience with kids.

Right now, the only thing we actually know from that story is what the girl is charged with and that she's suspended by the school. Other than that, we have nothing that we can actually know. So, all we can do is extrapolate from our own experience. Your experience tells you that no matter what the police and the school had no right to restrain this girl. Mine, as a person that has actually taught in public schools, tells me that there is a lot missing from the story, and that the story has hints of a girl with emotional disturbances that may have required physical restraint. As one that has actually had to physically restrain children I can tell you that "WRESTLING TO THE FLOOR" for a student that is having a violent outburst is not inappropriate and in many cases quite necessary.

I emphasised.

:rofl:

and you would be none the wiser.

She is probably Asperger's syndrome or autistic, and just flipped out. That happens with some kids with these disorders and it is really hard to handle in a school setting.

The school is not allowed to talk about a child's medical or psychological issues, so cannot defend themselves publicly. So all we can hear is the family's complaint.

I HATED picture day, camera flash can still trigger sensory meltdowns if I'm stressed out. Fortunately I never had the cops called on me.

I run the photo department at a high school. We've got some kids who skip out on picture day, it's no big deal. Some years I've been the yearbook person, and I did want to include a photo of everyone in it. I never bullied the kids into it. Sometimes I took the photos myself and let the kid see them on the camera and delete right away if they hated them, sometimes they sat with me while I airbrushed them. Once we staged it so the person was wearing a large hood that completely covered their face - no skin showing at all. It had a unique sort of charm, and it was one of my favorites. There are a lot of ways the school could have dealt with this. It's unfortunate they opted to teach the lessons they did.

I don't think people here remember how nerve-wracking picture day can be to a preteen.

We have staff members who sneak out on picture day every year.

It's got all the appeal of having your driver's license photo taken - and published and distributed to a few hundred of your closest friends.

Yes, it was for a photo ID card. Big yearbook companies use those for the yearbooks. Jostens, for instance, takes all the photos, sells them to parents, makes them into ID cards, sends them electronically to the school to use in software that shows faces with seating charts, and they are plunked into the yearbook portrait pages.

But I will let you in on a big secret - they are just digital photos, and there's nothing magic about the Josten's cameras. The photo could still be taken.

And, in fact, most schools have a retake day because (another big secret) schools never have perfect attendance. But when a kid stays home on photo day, the police aren't sent to arrest them - not even if they stayed home because they were avoiding the photographer. Jostens doesn't hunt them down at their homes. Somehow the system survives.

If the girl had her heart set on having her hair straightened, or flat ironed, or any other style, there's no reason they couldn't have just accommodated her on retake day if they didn't want to take the photo themselves and email it in.

Just because she's sensitive about her hair.

Where along the way did the race to the student even become a factor?

I'm basing my assumption on my own experience as an ED teacher, and my faith in the professionalism of the teachers and police officer involved. It seems unlikely to me that a matter over hair would escalate like the student and her father indicate. Teachers know that anytime physical action has to be taken with a student, especially if police are involved, it's a possible career ender. So, I doubt they were just itching for a fight with a 6th grader.

Student's with anxiety disorders, ODD, Autism-spectrum, etc., can become very distressed over trivial issues and it can lead them to act out in violent ways. This means that unless adequate space is available for them to cool down, they have to be restrained. I'd say that is a more likely scenario than some police officer looking to get physical with a kid over a school photo.

I would say the "huge leap" is being made by a lot of the people in this thread by swallowing this person's story knowing that the school can't comment on it.

"School Police Lt. Laniece Pope tried to force the girl to take the picture, and handcuffed and arrested her when she resisted. "

There is no indication anywhere that the girl physically acted out before the officer tried to force her.

If you were an ED teacher, I hope you don't think it's okay for a cop to knock down and arrest a 6th grader, ED or not, in order to get a picture taken.

The school could certainly state what their policy is on picture taking. The fact that they haven't says volumes.

"There is no indication anywhere that the girl physically acted out before the officer tried to force her."

And, if there were, where would we get that information from? The school can't speak to the media about a disciplinary issue. So, all we have are the words of the girl and her family. Do you think they are going to paint themselves in an unflattering light?


"I hope you don't think it's okay for a cop to knock down and arrest a 6th grader, ED or not, in order to get a picture taken."

How do you know that actually happened? Why would you take the word of a 6th grader that removes all traces of any wrong doing from herself as gospel? Would you do that in any other situation?


"The school could certainly state what their policy is on picture taking. The fact that they haven't says volumes."

No. The fact that they haven't said anything means that they aren't looking to get sued for discussing an unresolved matter with the media.

And where the girl is standing there calmly while she's turned and handled?

She doesn't look like a big threat to me.

The school wouldn't be sued for stating what their general policy is on picture taking. They're just hiding.

Especially when her parents were both there. I can't tell you how many "sweet little girls" spit, punched, kicked, scratched, and bit me until it drew blood when I was teaching in the ED class. You have no idea what kids are like by looking at them, and you have no idea what triggers an episode with them from a 30 second interview. Up thread, I talked about a girl that I used to teach in my class that had a picture day outburst. She was the sweetest little girl you could ever meet when she was on her meds and was having a good day. That same little sweet girl though snuck a knife into school once and planned to stab one of my aides (an offense that earned her 2.5 days suspension). You never know what a kid is capable of.

"The school wouldn't be sued for stating what their general policy is on picture taking. They're just hiding."

They are not hiding. They are keeping themselves from getting sued. Any comment they could make would be construed as a comment on the actual event which would mean they are commenting on a disciplinary action.

but you keep making ASSumptions based on your experience as an ED teacher. you don't even know if she is an ED student.

handcuff and arrest her?


We certainly know what that police officer was capable of.

You are incorrect about general comments made by the school administration. Stating their normal policies would not get them into trouble -- unless the policies were indefensible.

What is a minor annoyance to non-autistics can drive us crazy.

People that aren't used to working with Autistic kids, kids with bi-polar disorder, anxiety disorder, etc. have no idea what can cause kids to have an episode. Even if you explain it to them, they don't get it.

It let them get away with their BS because every time I complained I was told that I needed to get a thicker skin. :eye:

treated a child (you assume is ED) with no sensitivity at all.

I just can't imagine a 6th grade girl with erectile dysfunction.

Maybe somebody could tell us cultural illiterates what this ED is that you're all talking about.

and, unfortunately I was not disappointed! :grr:

My image was a blonde girl sporting a trashy look.

And who was taking after her mom and dad's example.

:shrug:

edit: spelling

But what 6th grade girl isn't sensitive about her appearance? At our schools, kids are always given a free comb to use before their pictures are taken.

... with emotional disabilities that had an outburst and had to be restrained. Then, after she was calmed she was made to take a school picture. Since the school more than likely can't comment, we are getting only the father and the child's version of the story.

I could be wrong of course, but I'd say there's an 80% likelihood (search for 'lanience' on google images, with faces only, and >80% of results are black). So I wouldn't fall in love with your theory of it being a racially motivated incident just yet.

And I know black people that are racist against black people.

that Treanashe is not a White girl's name. If I am wrong, please forgive me.

I can imagine white people being racist against white people and so on too, but really I don't think there's any grounds for calling this a racist incident so far (some may emerge with more details later). To imply that it is the case is to just pigeonhole hole the case in a simplistic way. As for a poster's suggestion downthread that being a police officer is synonymous with being a racist...er, no.

I just said that racism is not limited to white people. I don't know how you got all that from that sentence?

I swear some people just look for reasons to be contrary.

Are you certain she wouldn't be less likely to treat a white girl this roughly? Just because the girl wanted to get her hair fixed up before having a picture taken?

Naw, that would NEVER raise as much as an eyebrow ...

I saw the name 'Trenashe' and assumed the girl was Black. I'll be you a million dollars she isn't White. And same with the cop's name. If the name had been 'Britney' or 'Amber,' then it might be a different story!:rofl:

Per the on-line bio of an athlete daughter who went to an Albany, GA school.

She might have felt freer to be rough on the black girl.

A black cop has never given any black person any more of a break than a white cop would. It's the institution that's racist and the black cop is working for it. Your leaps of logic, if that's what you call it, are erroneous at best. And that's as kind as I can be about it.

Of course, this stereotype does not apply to all police forces in the United States, but I feel safe saying it applies to most of them.

:dem:

-Laelth

that it could NOT be racially related because both participants were black.

any moron should know that

That was easy.

...you just think of her as a child?

:shrug:

NO way I would stand still for this, the cop was wrong

I'm sort of against living in a police state too.

:toast:

I'm probably gonna get jumped on for this, but if anyone ever used that much force to restrain my son you bet your ass I would sue and he wouldn't go anywhere near that school again. If the authorities at that school can't deal with the children or are so burnt out they can't handle it anymore, time to find a new job. 1 out of 150 children have autism these days, learn to handle it

There were no police stationed at my elementary school, junior high school, or high school.

I'm glad there weren't, because of recent cases like this which show how having a police officer on site turns a minor issue into a student being physically hurt and/or arrested.

High schools usually have a police officer present, which can be a really positive thing, with the kids developing a trusting relationship with the cop.

But I wonder why one would be needed in an elementary school.

"School Police Lt. Laniece Pope"

criminal charges against kids for infractions that would have resulted, at worst, in a week of after school detention when I was in school.

Everything is criminalized.

One high school kid skipped out of school on day and started walking down the road. The School Resource Officer called in reinforcements and actually had the helicoptor in the air tracking him.

For skipping school.

:thumbsdown:

America is far from being number one an MANY levels.

I am sorry about the loss of Ted Kennedy. I know that he was on the front lines warring against this type
of abuse of power.

that innocent people are being tased, even to death, while young children (black, female) are choked and handcuffed for refusing a photo. In our high security state, the cop may have seen a photo ID as his authoritarian territory, which this young student "suspect" was refusing to comply with.

Another reason that I have come to hate school system and think it's broken beyond redemption.

Some people don't think about what it FEELS like to go to "school" in a lockdown. It was bad enough BEFORE Columbine.

Look, I went to school in the 70's. I was never in a "lockdown" school.

kids and parents would have protested.

This all goes DIRECTLY to the taser horror stories that we're seeing in the news.......

It is horrifying to think of what a Taser does.

in Savannah Ga in the seventies when the school board decided to fence in the schools.
People thought the fences made school too much like concentration camps.

High school graduation was, without a doubt, the happiest day of my life. I speak of that day like how Berliners speak of the day the Berlin Wall came down.

in so many of the few posts, it probably doesn't matter what year they graduated. :hi: They get it.

seems more recent than not.

I do not recall any police in our schools in the 70's/80's.

Probably a 90's thing, pre and post Columbine.

About the same time that adults were being brainwashed to give up basic Bill of Rights. :hi:

A different time indeed.

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:rofl: +1000000.

Thanks for bringing some levity to a very strange thread.

... when her problems could be solved.

When I was in grade school, a few days before we had yearbook pictures taken, I got stung between my eyes in PE and had an allergic reaction I had to go to the health clinic to get treated as they were swollen shut and stayed that way for a few days. The school let me have a week or two before I took my pic. Now my eyes were still puffy, but I didn't look horrible like I would have had I had to take a pic then.

If she'd had mumps and been away. Would the school have noticed her return and thought about the enormity of her having missed out on the class photo? What WOULD they have done!

than roughing her up and arresting her?

But that would be too easy. Better to arrest her. Good thing it wasn't Floreeda, or they would have tazed her hair into submission.

I didn't picture a little black girl, either. I pictured *me* in the 6th grade, who always hated having my pic taken and would run and hide from cameras, trying to get out of it.

Gawd, I'm glad now I never had kids...

Your whiteness is showing.

I honestly don't know. A little patience would've gone a long way here.

an anxious, insecure child.

Despite what they say, maintaining "law and order" is NOT the highest priority.

Or when they are booked down at the police station.

This was an identification picture -- not a yearbook picture.

Of course she cares what it looks like.

She's 11 or 12, a highly sensitive age. Have a heart.

Every year I was in middle and high school, the school ID pic was the one they put in the yearbook--except for Senior Pictures.

Not to mention a physical beating, including the choking of an 11 year old girl? There had to be a lot of witnesses, if picture day is anything like I remember.

Insane.

When the fascists officially take over they will have no worry of a populace who may fight back. We've got plenty of sheep to go along to get along and make excuses for abuses of power to boot.

:puke:

I recall when I was in sixth grade, we were supposed to line up for our small pox vaccinations. (Yes, this was before small pox was wiped out. They did a regular series of vaccinations, such as tetanus and polio, in school, with parental permission, to make sure that all the kids were vaccinated.)

Anyway, second and sixth graders were supposed to get small pox vaccinations, which really were no big deal, probably the least painful immunizations I ever had, but one second grade girl absolutely flipped out as she realized she was next. She was kicking and screaming as if she were about to be thrown to starving alligators.

I didn't know her, but I heard some of her classmates refer to her as a "crybaby" and ask why she always made a fuss.

Did the teachers call the cops on her?

No.

Her teacher and the principal grabbed her, took her over to the staircase, set her down on a step, and then sat down next to her, one with an arm around her shoulder, the other with an arm around her waist, and talked soothingly to her.

No cops necessary.

I remember going in with my younger sister. I got a DPT (?) booster with a big damn needle and it hurt. Then my sister gets her shot and nothing to it. I thought wow what a brave kid. I didnt realize until much later that she only had the polio immunization (I think Salk) which was just a skin scratch.

I said I wouldn't line up and this wasn't my doctor and I'd get the shot after I got home -- but only from MY doctor.

There was one other holdout, a boy. He finally decided to go -- if the teacher would carry him. She made me sit by myself for a while after everyone else had their shots, then sent me home with a letter to my mother.

My parents had no idea we were supposed to get shots that day, and this turned out to be critical information: my doctor had been giving me only 1/2 doses of the DPT because I'd had such bad reactions. Then one of my sisters died of encephalitis (a rare DPT reaction) the day after she had hers.

Hopefully nothing like this could ever happen again. I don't think a school would ever line up kids for shots without getting parental consent first!

A 6th grader? They had to choke a 6th grader because she did not want her picture taken?

Why are there police in the schools anyways?

From the article:
"The girl was charged with disorderly conduct, obstruction of an officer, and disrupting school. She is suspended today."
What kind of reprobate (parasite) brings such charges against an 11 year old?


Fascists indeed!

More specifically, to keep gang members and drug dealers out.

Hell, I'm surprised nobody's gotten arrested for it for THINKING something the powers that be don't like.

tase the son of a bitch for doing it if it's true the cop threw this girl to the ground and caused the marks.

"Oppositional-Defiant Disorder" sounds disturbingly Orwellian, like something made up by a totalitarian police state, turning "non-compliant" behavior into a psychiatric condition like how the USSR "diagnosed" dissidents with Schizophrenia.

Gee, stuff a kid in a soul-crushing prison called a "public school" all day and you expect them NOT to act out?

Making them big helps make them impersonal atomizers and classifiers of people, and trains people from a young age to get used to being sheep in a herd. There was a nationwide push to get rid of small schools for reasons of social control.

If it was for National School Studios, even less reason to have a knockdown, dragout fight about it.

marginalisation, disaffection, anomie(!) and bitterness among the students. They sense no purpose in their lives to begin with, and this is compounded in their teens, particularly, by their being looked on as neither adults or children.

In small country schools (I taught in one for a short while), it's much less the case. When they get home from school, they will probably have chores to do, such as milking the cows or some such.

them?

yet again, another officer will probably just get a slap on the wrist bc they'll say Treneashe was just argumentative and started swinging or something stupid to excuse the fact that they assaulted a girl for not allowing her photo to be taken.

They're the best!

child abuse. What she did was not acceptable, if the child did not want to take a picture they should have used common sense and call the parents.

6th graders and, if you are really lucky, you might get to tase someone.

lets see how the facts play out. TWenty bucks this was a "troubled student" from the getgo

Especially, when there are cops involved.

It doesn't matter if the student made vile remarks about the cops family, or if she spat one of the teachers. This type of conduct from members of "authority" is unacceptable. Teachers and Cops should mind their role and learn their place. And before people bitch at me, my mom is a teacher, and I am going back to college to get a teaching license. I have taught classes before and can say, as anyone with common sense could say, that such behavior from a member of "authority" is uncalled for.

her picture is taken.

At our suburban schools, all the kids are given free combs to use before their picture is taken, and roomparents help the kids who need help.

Come, come now!

What the fuck is wrong with you people?

For that matter, who beside the girl is saying she was actually choked?

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The school can't comment because it's a disciplinary matter. That's just standard school procedure no matter where you go. But, if the girl's story checks out there should be dozens of witnesses that don't work for the school (photographers, students, etc.) that should have been able to verify her story and would have been easily tracked down by the reporter.

All we have is the word of a 6th grade girl that for the simple fact that she didn't want to get her picture taken got her ass kicked by a cop. Does there not seem to be a few steps missing there? Do we know what happened from the initial objection to when the cop got there? Do we know if the cop was just standing there or were they call be a teacher or administrator? Was the girl becoming violent? Did the teacher or officer follow the normal physical violence continuum? Were normal methods for restraining violent students used? Or, are we just supposed to believe that by virtue of the woman being a cop she was just looking to choke and beat a kid, then throw a bunch of trumped up charges on her?

Some people are willing to swallow anything on here as long as the charge is made against a cop.

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And you really shouldn't be working with children.

yep it was probably the kid's fault that the adult choked her, threw her down and put her knee on her back and before handcuffing her. she should have combed her hair at home :eyes:

Who next an infant-school kind?

This is absurd,

All the kids would be given free combs and the time to fix their hair before their pictures are taken. If necessary, any slowpokes could have their pictures taken last. Or even on another day.

doesn't demonstrate full cultural understanding. White people, they generally run a comb through their hair and are good to go, at least at that age. Black women, however, and girls at that age too, might do a lot more to their hair than just running a comb through it.

because she needed extra time to get ready on picture day.

By the way, when I was her age some of the nastier kids called me "Brillo" and "S.O.S." So I understand about difficult hair.

and I think overall we're in agreement. I'm just explaining that all the time in the world at school for fixing her hair was probably never going to address her concerns. It's not an issue of giving her extra time. She likely felt she needed styling options that could only be done at home (flatiron, products, etc).

what it is like to be 11 years old -- and some of the meaner ones clearly were never 11 year old GIRLS.

On the video she looked very pretty to me, just with her hair pulled back in a simple pony tail. But that wouldn't mean SHE would be happy with her hair -- poor kid.

:rofl:

:hide:

And another reason I dislike having police stationed at schools.

simply because she did not want her picture taken. there is something wrong with YOU if you condone what that officer did. the child has scratches on her neck, she was thrown to the ground, handcuffed and arrested. the adults in that situation acted like abusive idiots.

That kid obviously NEEDED brutalizing. After all, she REFUSED to sit for a PHOTOGRAPH!

I don't think they went far ENOUGH! They shoulda strung her UP as a lessoon to the other BRATS, I say!

and thrown in jail. after all, she did not comply with authority :puke:

these "hard-case" authoritarians are, aren't they? "Please, sir... she wouldn't let us take her photo! She wanted to comb her hair..."

Look at tall the support Chavez gets.

No regard for privacy, no regard for personal boundaries. This is like rape of the spirit, and is how people, like animals are indoctrinated into this fucking paternalistic, hateful and abusive society. I hope to live to see these Dark Ages pass. Curses to these brutes.

These kids will not be pacified by violent acts being inflicted upon them. This only teaches kids that the use of extreme violence is the best way to get what they want. Making it acceptable to assault and torture kids in schools is just one more reason that our society is doomed to be stuck in a cyclical whirlwind of ultra-violence.

I am supremely glad my children did not go to a school staffed by some of the "professionals" in this thread. What the hell happened to treating individuals as individuals rather than lining them up like parts on a conveyor belt and expecting them all to behave the same way?

She refused to have her picture taken. I don't care if she was being a complete pain in the ass about it - send her to the principal's office and suspend her for a day if you need to but why in the world does a police officer need to handcuff and arrest her? What exact threat does an 11 year old girl refusing to have her picture taken pose to anyone?

Could someone please explain that to me?

And it's hard to believe how many are defending it.

In 25 years in public ed, 2 states, large and small, rural and suburban, districts and schools, I've never worked at a school where something like this did, or WOULD, happen.

I was constantly punished because I dared question the teacher's "authority" by correcting a blatant factual error. Independent thinking, critical thinking, and logical reasoning is repressed.

Who needs stinkin' education when you're training a compliant, docile workforce?

Based on what has happened in my own district. If my guess is correct that this girl is an ED student, this girl may have had a violent outburst (which could include anything from scratching all the way to biting others around her). She would have required restraining at the point and would have been taken to the school's "time-out" room. If she managed to harm another student or staff member she would have been suspended (which it says in the story she was). The school would have called her parents to come pick her up, and as is often the case with ED students that are often suspended the parents would refuse to come pick her up (either because of their job, or just to be defiant to a school they feel is mistreating their daughter). This leaves the school with limited options for how they can handle the suspended student for the rest of the day. They can't send the kid home because there would be no one there. They can't keep them at school and endanger the staff or other students. So, as is often the case, they call the police to take custody of them and the police handle the parents.

I have no idea if that is what actually happened, but that is a possible scenario.

You've been calling this girl ED without any fucking proof from the get go as if her being ED excuses this bullshit. It's disgusting.

Obviously refusing to take the photo precipitated some sort of incident, but you've no idea if that's why they ended up restraining her.

Critical thinking skills, people.

up make me want to spend my last 500 bucks on Rosetta stone so I can learn French and get the hell out of the country when I've finished school.

education. I cannot even begin to imagine this ever happening 1. when I was in HS and 2. at my HS. A cop at my HS? Are you kidding me? All we needed was that "look" from our principal, Brother Mark...

Thank you Mom and Dad for paying to send me to a small, private school.

:rofl:

And I can't believe how tolerant some people on this thread are toward cruelty to a child!

"The girl was charged with disorderly conduct, obstruction of an officer, and disrupting school. She is suspended today." ... Pretty much what I recall school as being like.

I do think that "School Police Lt. Laniece Pope" needs to be somewhere away from children.

In fairness (The curse of the Liberal: to see more than one side to an issue) it is possible that the pupil was wildly out of control, kicking, biting and flailing about and that the school cop used only proportionate force.

My bet, however, is on the abuse of force by the cop: Hell hath no Fury like a cop dissed.

among policemen and educators.

"Yes, I can make the horse drink the water. And if I can't, I'll met out punishment here and now."

they have to have something to do.

I don't see why they just couldn't have

pulled her aside, sent her to the principals office, and called the parents to come get her.
and suspended her until she was willing to get her picture taken.
I don't see how this is so hard.

This makes no sense to treat some child this way.

i've been physically forced to have my school picture taken on several occasions, by faculty and staff though, not police. this was pre-9/11 of course, so i wasn't yet considered a terra-ist.

more school douchebaggery.