Are there are remains of Joe Kennedy?

I know he died in a plane crash in war, so there may not be any. But how fitting it would be for all four brothers to be together.

He was on a secret mission and something went wrong.

son.

Elliot survived, but never managed to step out of his parents shadow, and had an awful personal life.

The Kennedys and the Roosevelts were not good friends, and in fact, were almost enemies.

He seriously considered and even did some politickin' for the presidency mid thirties. FDR tried to neutralize him with the ambassadorship, but Joe publicly talked appeasement and defeatism. Bad enough that Churchill told Roosevelt get him out of here or I'll throw him out.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/6/10/171654/268

I have changed my mind about some things I wrote back then in 2007, but the historical part is still pretty much accurate.

He hoped that FDR would appoint him Treasury Secretary as a reward but instead he just made him head of the SEC. I think that had a lot to do with their not liking each other.

I'm sure I've read that he had enough points he could have returned stateside but chose to stay and continue fighting.

Alas...

:(

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy,_Jr.

21,000 pounds of high explosives blew.

According to my live in ammo man, that's a ZTD (zone of total destruction) of o/a 100 yards or somewhat over an acre. The only blessing was Kennedy and his flight engineer never knew what happened. They were gone before their brains had time to react.

It can be hard for families when there is nothing left of a loved one. A friend of my sons died in Iraq. The only thing left was one of his hands. Considering the events with JK, even that wasn't a possibility.

May you son rest in peace.

I lost a loved one in Nam, but at least he came home and we could say the final good-bye. I can't imagine not having that minimum comfort.

sons' friend. I knew him through my sons. And I know how hard it was and is for his family, including his young wife and infant.

Members of my family have been in the military and served in almost every war since the Civil War. I count us fortunate, in that while some have been seriously wounded, none have died. It gives me an appreciation for what military families deal with, and I try hard to keep that in mind, even in the wars that I do not favor. My kids have made me proud by heading up local collections of letters and goods for the service people in Iraq and Afghanistan. Last year, I bought a number of boxes of holiday cards for Christmas, and my daughters sent them all to soldiers. I found out late, but my family and friends understood why they didn't get the usual card.

I lost my fiance, very hard, but terrible for my erstwhile in-laws. He was their only child.

My family also had at least one of us step up every generation as far back we can remember. Like yours no deaths, but some dreadful wounds.

Bless your kids.

No Known Grave; name is listed on the Tablets of the Missing.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=9665752

He and his crew were to fly to a heavily reinforced Germany facility in France, arm a delay trigger, aim the plane toward the facility and bail. Over the English coast the plane exploded. No one knows what happened.

I am in awe of all of them.

As a former navy officer once said to me re carrier landings, "If you never saw it done, you wouldn't believe it could be done." I've seen badass Air Force pilots go green at the gills even talking about trying it.

pilots. And then the Army Air Force became the Air Force, which was separate...

Operation Aphrodite was a combined Army/Navy mission. Volunteer pilots and crews came from both branches. Both B-17s and B-24s were used. The planes assigned were old crocks, passed their combat effectiveness.

This site gives a good briefing

http://en.allexperts.com/e/o/op/operation_aphrodite.htm

Interesting. So he was not in fact flying a "Liberator"?

This is the time line of AF

Unit of the Army Signal Corps 1907-14

Army Air Service 1914-26

Army Air Corps 1926-41

Army Air Force 1941-47

US Air Force 1947

Kennedy flew the Navy's version of the B-24.

It's funny, I'm not an airplane fancier at all, but those planes just fascinate me. I learned a lot about them from my first husband who liked model airplanes. But I always had the impression that navy planes were Pursuit planes and the bombers and fighters that accompanied them were Army Air Force. I thought the development of the B17 from the "Flying Fortress" to the "Super Fortress" was interesting and I actually knew a pilot who had firebombed Tokyo. He was stationed in the Mariana Islands (maybe Guam? or Saipan?). It sounded just horrible...

A sea of fire was a apt description. At the time the majority of the buildings in Tokyo were wooden, so incendiaries did ghastly damage.

Most of the AAF was committed to the European Theater, so the Navy did all its own air work in the Pacific.

The Fort was one of most beautiful planes ever built; it had the look of eagles on and off the ground. The Liberator was a big brute, looked tough, was tough. It could take a pounding and it had long legs, long operational range.

And could you tell me if the Norden bombsite was in both of these bombers or just the Super Fortress?

It was such a brutal fight to get to the Marianas so we could get to the mainland of Japan. What a terrible war...my husband's father was on one of the landing vehicles and was a LT jg assigned to pick to men who would land on the beaches of those islands. He never talked about it...it had to be a nightmare for him...can't imagine...

Don't know about the Norden bombsite. Something tickles that it was used in the 17s toward the end of the war. My inhouse war historian is asleep now so I can't pick his brain. A google could give you the answer.

As one WWII combat vet said, "If you were there, you wouldn't have to ask. If you weren't, you'd never understand." Very few can talk about it. Even my husband who wasn't in direct combat in Nam clams up. Your father-in-law experienced things no one should.

The PB-4Y2 version of the Navy's B-24 had a single verticle stabilizer, nicknamed the Privateer. The PB-4Y1, I understand, was the regular, twin-tailed Liberator.

I don't remember which Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr. flew during his regular tour of duty or on Project Aphrodite/Anvil.

No body armor. No night vision. No advanced medical care for hours or days.

No Super tanks or APCs.

True high power rifles with enormous bullets.

Real bayonets, real bayonet charges.

Damn....just damn.

place was.

understood this either.

No remains were found. I don't think that was a secret mission, but who knows.

all kinds of theories

http://www.skygaze.com/content/mysteries/GlennMiller.shtml

especially the way he treated his daughter Rose.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosemary_Kennedy

A month earlier, an RAF raid had knocked out the target site but intelligence was unable to ascertain the extent of the damage the RAF attack had done on the V-3 site.