Newsweek: The Five Biggest Lies in the Health Care Debate

Or, Why the Right is Wrong (Again!)

The Five Biggest Lies in the Health Care Debate
http://www.newsweek.com/id/214254




Nice to see a major media outlet addressing the wrongness of the right.

Rec

Very pleasantly so.

i am only asking because basically the MSM will say something is a lie, but not really bother to explain what the truth actually is.

btw.... the best lies are the ones with a kernel of truth to them.

1. Tell the truth, but tell it in a way no one believes it.
2. tell the truth-but not all of it.
3. Lie through your teeth.

If the PTB are good at anything it is effective propaganda.

... from Faux, Rasmussuen, or the RW Media Propagandist Hatemongers.

is that Congress routinely passes laws that they don't read, and unintended consequences always come up "too late" to do anything about them.

and fills them in on many of the details.

That said, I'm sure some things do slip through and the ramifications of others may not be immediately apparent.

who admits that he/she has assigned an important part of the job to an unelected, unknown staffer who may have their own agenda, risks being replaced.

What is wrong with taking the time to read legislation before it is voted on?

they probably wouldn't get much of anything done!

I think only Dennis Kucinich read the full text of the so-called Patriot Act.

Not many politicians want to do that. A bill going up without anybody having read it is a common occurrence.

is what gives the teabaggers ammunition when they make all kinds of charges about what's in a bill. The usual response would be, "Well, my congressman wouldn't let THAT happen," but you just can't answer lies with that reasoning any more.

you should go see and read - the pictures with the captions and the reality -

thumbsup to Newsweek

here's the full link "print" version

http://www.newsweek.com/id/214254/output/print

and an excerpt for you -

good at addressing the false assertions. it's funny that most of this bs originates from one particular website and then spreads.

:hi:

It's good to see you out and about today :)

:hi:

some crab legs...with my daughter. :-)

:shrug:

It is heartening to see a major media outlet take on corporate lies. Who knows where it might lead? I'd be happy if it lead us at least to some sane conversation on the topic of health care.

even when those lies were proven to be lies, those speaking them walked away still believing the lies about health care..mind numbing...

http://www.newsweek.com/id/211920


That's a bunch of angry white folk, eh? And they don't really know why they're angry. They just know they were told to be angry by people who don't care for anyone other than themselves.

Sure I'm glad Newsweek is countering those fake concerns ginned up by multi-million dollar right wing PR campaigns to stir up "genuine grass roots" fear and hatred--

but how sad I am that our national discourse has been so co-opted as to have those be the key points that need to be discussed.

Had Democrats boldly started by putting Medicare for All on the table as the public option, we could be discussing how that would give us a combination public-private system-- Medical services privately delivered (between you and your doctors), but payment and cost controls publicly administered, accountable to all of us as taxpayers. Successfully operating in Canada as Single Payer. Successfully operating here as Medicare.

We could be discussing why the best public option, Medicare for All who choose it, is the most efficient option because the infrastructure is in place and just needs some adjustment. We could talk about what changes it would need to cover more people and how to phase that in.

We could also be discussing the many times our legislators have tried to give the private sector a chance to compete and how they have failed miserably. We could be discussing how the private sector told us last time they crushed national health insurance that they could do better and here we are over ten years later with more people uncovered, more people bankrupt from medical bills, and costs escalating through the roof.

We could be discussing the way our legislators are giving them one more chance to try their private option by instituting regulations for the whole industry to level the playing field. That would require all the insurers to address the national health emergency their last decade of privatized health insurance has created. They would now all be required to cover everyone and control costs, so they can explain to their shareholders why they must trim their profits.

We could also be discussing the fact that the private insurance companies have hired CEOs so very brilliant that they are worth $10 million per year on average, so surely those outstanding CEOs will find new ways to profit from providing insurance. We could be discussing how private insurers might cover deluxe upgrades and elective surgeries.

Private insurers could use the same ruthless PR firms they've employed to gin up dangerous fear and hatred in gullible people to get them to storm town halls opposing reform to instead create PR campaigns to make us all so insecure about our personal appearance that we'll line up for liposuction and face lifts which they can finance.

why do they have so much traction, like the SwiftBOTS?!1

It's a cartoon.

even when one argument is beyond ridiculous. They do this in order to try to be "fair".

it's like debating with spoiled bratty 8 year olds.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/08/30/2009-08-30_fear__loathing_fuel_health_care_forums.html

But town hall attendees - unaware they were talking to a reporter - said they came to their opinions on their own and were happy to point to sources like Beck, the Web-based 9/12 Project and ResistNet, plus their own research. Some said they maintained their own e-mail networks to spread the truth as they see it.

It all produced a powerful and uniform set of gripes in three standing-room only, hours-long forums attended by The News.

In the minds of many folks packing the sessions, federal intervention in health care will only hurt, and could even doom, the nation.

...

"I am a single uninsured mother of an uninsured child, and yet still do not want the government involved in my health care," declared a woman who identified herself as "Jane Doe" because she wanted to protect herself and her daughter from "attacks."

"Our country is going down the wrong path right now. It's going down the path to socialism," said Berryhill.

"We the people are afraid that we're being taken over," said another woman to loud applause.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/08/30/2009-08-30_fear__loathing_fuel_health_care_forums.html#ixzz0Pii1BURr

unlawful searches and seizures, etc.


fucking idiots.

Actually, they don't mind the unlawful searches, etc., because they know as good Americans they won't be subjected to it. It's just those terrorists and liberals that will get that.

It's OK for Bush to strip them of many of their freedoms to keep them safe, but not OK for Obama to raise their taxes or take their guns.

The real truth is they're listening to what Fox tells them is important.

Newsweek, that's a liberal rag. Why would any 'Merican believe anything coming from East Coast Liberul Elites...

Newsweek will only be read by the people that believe in Health Care for All.

:cry:

I know that Medicaid and Medicare set the amount they will pay for medicines and medical procedures and equipment. Is that different from setting doctors wages?

nor from expanding their practices. They still set their own salaries (or the group in which they may be a member)

Pretty darn funny for Newsweek

Any well-funded Democratic foundation members around reading this want to help???

I guess I haven't been on that particular chain letter yet.

methinks