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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 07:43 PM
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2 residents burned while protecting home had thought hot tub could protect them
Source: LA Times

The L.A. County Sheriff's Department today provided new details on the three people who were burned while protecting their homes Saturday in Big Tujunga Canyon.

Two of the people injured refused a mandatory evacuation order, said Sheriff’s Department spokesman Steve Whitmore. He said that the two didn’t realize how serious the threat of the fire was, and that they thought they could protect themselves by jumping into a Jacuzzi. But when the 80-to-100-foot flames came barreling through their neighborhood, they were seriously burned, said Whitmore.

They managed to get themselves help, he said, and the county sent in a helicopter and airlifted them to a hospital.

(snip)

The exact conditions of the victims was not clear.

Read more: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/08/2-residents-burned-protecting-home-jumped-in-hot-tub-in-attempt-to-flee-fire.html
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 07:46 PM
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1. That's really sad
and I hope they fully recover. But if not: Darwin Award.
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raystorm7 Donating Member (944 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 08:01 PM
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7. Yep. Its like those 3-4 people that died from Hurricane Bill's waves on the east coast =/
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 07:51 PM
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2. That's like wrapping yourself up in paper towels when you find out a tsunami is coming.
Couple of real geniuses there.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 07:52 PM
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3. Most people have absolutely no idea
how truly dangerous fire is, and how quickly it can move.

I think a lot of the problem stems from movies and TV shows in which people safely escape fires that in real life would not be escapable.

About twenty years ago there was a half-hour science show and one episode was about fire, which we recorded and my young son watched over and over, so a bunch of the information stuck with me. Once a fire starts in a corner of a room, it is usually about five minutes before flash-over occurs, and as the show said, most people who have seen flash over are dead.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 07:54 PM
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4. I agree. And your description is really scary
What most people don't realize is that when we throw water in fire, it is not the water, but lowering the temperature that put out the fire.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 10:37 PM
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10. It's a little more then that. The water hitting the fire turns to steam and becomes 1400>1 the size
Edited on Sun Aug-30-09 10:39 PM by Arctic Dave
this suffocates the fire also. It's also the number one way firefighters get burned.
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GrantDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 07:54 PM
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5. I wonder if the rightwingers feel we should not rescue these people??
Edited on Sun Aug-30-09 07:55 PM by GrantDem
The way they felt we shouldn't rescue the people in NOLA after Katrina. Both ignored evacuation orders; some willing others not.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 07:59 PM
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6. They were probably rwers - they defied the order to evacuate.
:sarcasm:
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robo50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 08:48 PM
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8. If you want to waste your money, buy a hot tub.. stupid people who
buy a hot tub to save them from a forest fire, are probably too dumb to be saved.

I can't imagine someone living in a forest fire area NOT learning about how fire kills and how one must leave the area when there is a fire.

Are there lots of Americans as dumb as this? Not able to study the facts about their risks? Oh yes, they are called Republicans. Republicans imagine they can save themselves, and to heck with everybody else, and Republicans also refuse to accept reality and facts.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 10:10 PM
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9. republicans tend to move to urban-fringe areas
to avoid the "problems" of city life - basically having to deal with large numbers of people who aren't like them.

Republicans believe they can cash out their investments and live in a rural "paradise" without realizing the dangers of rural areas. Since they were magically taken care of in their former suburban haunts, they somehow think the same public services will take care of them in rural areas - of course without paying the higher taxes about which they would complain so bitterly.

Republicans believe they are unique and special, possessed of a unique wisdom that ordinary people don't have. The fact that they are wealthy in their mind means they are superior.

Republicans believe they can buy property in the middle of wilderness and hide from a forest fire in their hot tub.
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 10:40 PM
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11. Do you honestly think that only Republicans buy homes in the woods?
Really? Not one single Democrat ever bought a vacation or primary home in a forested or rural area?


What an astounding post.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 11:10 PM
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12. Urban emigres to rural areas tend to be republican
More than "a single democrat" has certainly bought a home in a rural area, however I believe the largest portion of people fleeing urban areas with the money to buy rural homes and build hot tubs in them are republican.

White flight has driven many anglos to flee urban areas entirely. This trend has been well documented, and has made these rural areas even more republican in their political demographics.

I never said ALL individuals without exception who buy home in rural areas are republican, did I? You do understand that exceptions do not invalidate a trend, do you?

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Rocky Sullivan Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 11:50 PM
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13. So I guess in that case, they deserved to die...
douche.
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 07:54 AM
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14. well you know that trick works on tv. hell I saw eric the vampire fly last
night on trublood.

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