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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 08:53 PM
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New Twist on Wing-Nut Delusions: the 'Birther with an Explanation' Arrives
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New Twist on Wing-Nut Delusions: the 'Birther with an Explanation' Arrives

Posted by Roy Edroso, Alicublog at 12:29 PM on August 29, 2009.

The current, sad era in American history isn't good for much, but it is proving a golden age for tendentious arguments.




Politico reports Arizona Rep Trent Franks' complaint that he has been maligned as a birther, when he's really what we call around here birther with an explanation -- he has come to believe, after "a significant amount of research," that Obama was in fact born in the U.S., but is outraged that the President won't produce the double-secret long form birth certificate, which despite the conclusive results of Franks' painstaking investigation he still finds necessary to "put people's concerns about his national identity to rest for good."

The item draws a passel of interestingly passive-aggressive comments in a similar mode.

Here's a good one:

I think President Obama is a wonderful man and a history maker, too! I want to celebrate him! Let's construct a great monument marking his place of birth, like we do with other presidents. I'd also like to shake the hand of physician who delivered our great president into the world on his day of birth. So... who exactly is that doctor? And, specifically, what is the address where we can begin building that monument? ...crickets...


This is my favorite:

I am sitting on a very large cash donation that I wanted to make to the childrens ward of the hospital that Obama was born. I mean it is historically significant the first Black President and first from Hawaii, I want to make that donation in the name of the doctor that birthed Obama. That simple tidbit of information available on the long form version of his BC is the only thing standing in the way of the poor sick children getting some much needed upgrades to their hospital ward. Emails to the White House have not been responded to. No one will provide this information. It couldn't be that Obama wants to deny the sick children.... no that definately isn't it so why can't I get this information from the most transparent administration in our history?


The current, sad era in American history isn't good for much, but it is proving a golden age for tendentious arguments. These folks want to keep the birther obsession alive as part of their greater effort to delegitimize Obama, but perceive that they are being laughed at. So they invent fantasy scenarios in which Obama is actually harming citizens by failing to produce the proof they claim not to need.

Franks' version is rather bland, but his defenders show great imagination and nerve. You've got to admit, most ordinary people wouldn't pretend to have a large endowment to offer as ransom -- in comments to a blog post, yet. But we're not dealing with ordinary people.


http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/142305/new_twist_on_wing-nut_delusions%3A_the_%27birther_with_an_explanation%27_arrives/




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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 09:12 PM
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1. Hey much you got old Trentee boy? I think we can crank one out shortly....
what a dip slitz.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 09:14 PM
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2. I think President Obama was born in Hawaii
Edited on Sun Aug-30-09 09:18 PM by RandomThoughts
But honestly it is irrelevant. When previous administrations left the rule of law and shredded the constitution by trying to hand control over to a plutocracy of the private sector, quaint notions like the Constitution were made irrelevant.

It is sad, and I hope the Constitution is restored with real justice instead of above the law actions of a few people.

So the birthers really are irrelevant since they did not stop Bush from removing so many rights protected in the Constitution. He also removed both Judicial, congressional, and executive checks and balances with intimidation and lack of information. And he also removed local, state, and federal check and balances by many orders and expansions of federal political control over state justice systems.

There was also complicity of some in other branches that would not enforce contempt of court citations, or that allowed signing statements as an excuse to overrule laws. Although the argument of giving up ground to organize an effective line of resistance is a valid argument in many thoughts on some of those issues. Although if those troops fold it makes that argument not real either.

So many things, and so many co conspirators in many sectors need to be held to account to establish a Constitutional government. Until they are, arguments like the birthers are just distractions to keep people from thinking about what is really going on.
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 09:32 PM
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3. This whole sad situation is not the result of the birther's need for truth and transparency
Edited on Sun Aug-30-09 09:33 PM by Monk06

It's about belling the cat.

The President's birth records as well as medical
and financial records are personal. In other words
nobody's business but his own until and unless
he is required to show them in a legitimate case
before a court.

It is a judges job to rule on the requirement of
a person to provide such records to the court on
a conditional need to know basis.

Birthers are trying to intimidate judges to request
such information before a case even comes to court.
These are fishing expeditions masking as discover
motions but their has to be a case being heard by
a court for a discovery motion to succeed.

Long story short, the birthers humiliate the first
black President of the United States by hauling into
court and forcing him to pull his pants down for all
the world to see.

And it won't end there. If the Orly Taitz's suck-ceded
in their efforts to get Obama's birth records they
would immediately demand his tax, travel and education
records.

The ultimate strategy, I think, goes back to Clinton
and White Water. If you can't prove criminal culpability
then catch President Obama lying under oath and then
the stage is set for impeachment in 2010 when the birthers
fantasize that they will retake the house and have the
votes for impeachment.

That is the Modus Operandi of the birthers IMO.
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 12:11 AM
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4. Birthplace:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapi%27olani_Medical_Center_for_Women_%26_Children

Now that they know where it is, they can start raising money for the statue.
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