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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 09:18 PM Original message |
Spencer Wells: "According to DNA, race does not exist." |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 09:19 PM Response to Original message |
1. Gee..what a shock that is going to be to some people. |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 09:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Especially those of them who lurk here |
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exboyfil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
3. Does that mean that we can stop answering that annoying |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 09:30 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Isn't it optional? |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 10:10 PM Response to Reply #3 |
15. It is MANDATORY on the next census, with penalties if you |
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exboyfil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 10:19 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. What if you lie |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 10:29 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Actually, many of us are "native americans" too, ( I was born here), though the census |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:34 AM Response to Reply #21 |
43. Well, that might explain a few things |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 11:44 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. Don't lie, confuse them - tell them some version of what you think your ancestry is |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 05:56 AM Response to Reply #28 |
38. There will be no long form this time: |
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TransitJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:08 AM Response to Reply #28 |
41. Wasn't William the Conquerer |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:16 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. The Normans came to France from Scandinavia: |
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TransitJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:37 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Okay thanks. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 08:20 AM Response to Reply #41 |
48. "Norman" is the truncated "Norseman." |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 11:02 AM Response to Reply #41 |
61. He traced his lineage back to Odin through the Norse kings |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:19 PM Response to Reply #41 |
69. In the late 900s the Vikings were given title to Normandy |
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704wipes (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 12:49 AM Response to Reply #41 |
72. well, if he had an OUTRAGEOUS accent |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 08:17 AM Response to Reply #18 |
47. Just answer Human Race. |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 11:10 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. How will they know if you lie? |
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dalaigh lllama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 12:01 AM Response to Reply #3 |
30. I answer "What race are you?" with my haplogroup info |
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HillWilliam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 09:54 AM Response to Reply #30 |
59. My maternal haplogroup (U5a) covers a helluva lot of ground |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 10:16 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Then I guess the question is: where was that woman 10 generations back in your maternal lineage? |
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HillWilliam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 08:53 AM Response to Reply #60 |
89. She was found in central England |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 10:36 AM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Or Huguenot, perhaps |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 11:15 AM Response to Reply #3 |
63. I imagine once race as a non-issue becomes ingrained in our cultural psyche... |
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Garbo 2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
4. Thanks for posting that. I hadn't noticed it was on. nt |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 09:30 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. You're welcome |
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MasonJar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
7. The people who should will not be watching. |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 09:32 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. And those who watch will be armed with better information |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
9. We've known this for many years now... |
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RagAss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 09:45 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. True. |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 09:51 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. I like how his documentaries spell it out |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 10:15 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. His documentaries are excellent, he is a very clear teacher. Thanks for posting. nt |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 01:23 AM Response to Reply #9 |
35. All the racist people I've met were insecure for a reason |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
12. Given that race is a classification system based in observation, this would surprise whom? |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 10:00 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. DNA is a "fashion"? |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 10:07 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Would that make sense to you? |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 09:30 AM Response to Reply #14 |
58. I asked because I wasn't sure what you meant |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 10:13 PM Response to Original message |
16. What is the criterion for deciding when subpopulation differences within species constitutes races? |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 10:40 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. agreement mostly |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 11:06 AM Response to Reply #22 |
62. Wouldn't someone who was determined to name races say that Obama's sister |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 11:47 AM Response to Reply #62 |
66. She's not his full sibling. |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 10:22 PM Response to Original message |
19. How would you have a "pure" race? |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 10:48 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. I think that term is simply shorthand, even amongst the Aryan Nations folks. |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 06:06 AM Response to Reply #19 |
40. Well, speaking in theoreticals... |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 01:44 AM Response to Reply #19 |
87. Exactly. They are into "racial purity" because it's an attempt to justify their obvious inbreeding |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 10:24 PM Response to Original message |
20. I participated in that Genographic Project. |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 11:15 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. The I haplotype is actually more exotic than that |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 11:30 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Interesting! thanks for the info! |
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Dramarama (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 12:57 AM Response to Reply #20 |
33. How much info did you recieve? |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 07:46 AM Response to Reply #33 |
46. I got enough info, and it was worth the price. |
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DangerousRhythm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 12:41 AM Response to Reply #20 |
71. Hm, I participated in the National Geographic Genographic Project... |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 11:44 PM Response to Original message |
27. It's a little more complex than simply "does not exist" |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-30-09 11:58 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. There is no such thing as race in physical anthropology |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 12:36 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. I'm aware. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 01:06 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Yes, it is entirely accurate. |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 05:56 AM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Others have done the defense for me |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 09:01 AM Response to Reply #39 |
53. Thanks for taking the time to explain. |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 03:03 PM Response to Reply #53 |
67. Yes, we do agree |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 05:11 PM Response to Reply #67 |
78. I don't know how well this will work.. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 08:52 AM Response to Reply #34 |
52. Both you and the OP are mischaracterizing the science. The precise way of saying it is---> |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 09:18 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. No, you are making the same mistake that the other poster made |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 01:35 AM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Then how are physical anthropologists able to look at bones |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 09:20 AM Response to Reply #29 |
55. The problem is people have different definitions of race. |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 11:32 PM Response to Reply #55 |
70. That is logical. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 08:11 AM Response to Reply #27 |
74. IMO its more correct to say "classical racial categories do not exist". |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. One question |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 09:01 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Did you not understand my post? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 10:38 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. The question isn't meaningless... |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 11:18 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. The simple phrase "race does not exist" implies that differences between populations do not exist |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 01:21 AM Response to Reply #83 |
84. It really implies nothing. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 07:41 AM Response to Reply #84 |
88. You are welcome, and sorry if I sounded confusing. |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 12:08 AM Response to Original message |
31. Hmm where does it say that? |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 09:22 AM Response to Reply #31 |
56. It's a direct quote from Spencer Wells in the documentary |
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create.peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 01:52 AM Response to Original message |
37. "Rift Valley Drifters" by Roy Zimmerman |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 07:07 AM Response to Original message |
45. The human race |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 08:21 AM Response to Original message |
49. And we have 99% identical DNA as Bush. |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 08:36 AM Response to Reply #49 |
77. That`s a vicious rumour! |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
50. One can observe differences among humans as much as we can among other species. There is no judgment |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 08:42 AM Response to Original message |
51. Our apparent differences are from adaptation to the stresses of different environments. |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 09:24 AM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Wells talked about that, too |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 08:16 AM Response to Reply #51 |
75. I've read that it would take 20,000 for a population to go from very dark to very light |
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distantearlywarning (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
64. I watched that last night. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
65. This is news? |
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windoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-31-09 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
68. Alex Gray's Chapel of Sacred Mirrors shows this dramatically. |
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Window (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 01:05 AM Response to Original message |
73. I taped it last night...I was glued to the tv...very interesting, |
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johnnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 08:21 AM Response to Original message |
76. So technically there is no such thing as "racism"? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-01-09 05:16 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. Genetically? No. |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 01:24 AM Response to Original message |
85. Read the book "Before the Dawn". Race does not exist. We are all African brothers and sisters. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 01:35 AM Response to Original message |
86. I just finished watching it. |
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