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justgamma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 10:30 PM
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Tort reform? Give me a one line answer. Need to make a sign.
Making up signs to answer all the screamers. Can't think of a 1 or 2 line snappy answer for when the yell tort form. Thanks.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 10:40 PM
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1. If you want universal single payer, you need to get on board with tort reform.
It means standardization of compensation for injury. No more jury awards in the nature of winning the lottery.
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 11:15 PM
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12. Oh yeah, if I win an award because my kid gets maimed or killed I'll think I won the lottery.
WTF is wrong with you? "No more jury awards in the nature of winning the lottery" ....?????

How much is a "proper" award and who gets to decide it?
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 01:10 AM
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22. Physicians, economists and other objective professionals.
If you want the change, you take the whole package. Look at the nations you want us to emulate in reforming our system. Do you see a thriving medical malpractice bar? No. Because it is inconsistent with the required standardization.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 01:18 AM
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24. You don't know what you're talking about
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 01:30 AM
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25. Less frequent and smaller awards. It only makes sense that this is a consequence of reform.
http://www.loc.gov/law/help/medical-malpractice-liability/canada.php
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 01:37 AM
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26. Of course awards are smaller- medical expenses are covered
and that's one of the driving forces behind malpractice suits- clients/patients can't afford (sometimes lifelong) medical bills caused by professional (or corporate) negligence.

Taking that out of the mix inevitably means less suits and smaller awards (although interestingly enough, studies show that simply talking and listening to patients respectfully and being kind is one of the biggest preventative measures against lawsuits that any physician can take).
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 01:44 AM
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27. I read that too! And if the doctor or hospital apologizes and says I Messed Up!
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 01:49 AM
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28. Yep- there's that bit as well. Impressive, eh?
Edited on Mon Aug-31-09 01:50 AM by depakid
A good article on that point:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32011837/
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 01:52 AM
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29. I'll never bathe normally again, but at least you're sorry. Heh.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 11:42 PM
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13. Nobody actually gets those huge awards, you know
They're invariably reduced on appeal.

Most of them will go away when a lifetime of medical care doesn't have to be factored in.

We'll have to get universal healthcare, preferably single payer, first.

The right wing's wet dream of denying the people the right to petition the courts for redress of grievances will simply have to wait at least until then.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 01:15 AM
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23. The reforms go hand in hand. And the personal wealth of John Edwards is from lucrative jury awards.
We need to be able to see and accept the truth.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 08:21 AM
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31. Perhaps the lawyers fees need to be capped
Edwards sued the corporate, by the way.

Do you know what lawsuits add to medical costs?

Less than one percent.

I don't think you're thinking this through. Eliminating our right to sue won't drop the costs appreciably, certainly not enough for us to give up a very fundamental right.

Tort reform is being pushed by corporations. It's not lawsuits from individuals that are the problem for them, it's lawsuits from other corporations.

Please educate yourself on the subject. Don't fall for their propaganda.
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Eric68601 Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 10:42 PM
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2. Here's one
Tort reform? How about Insurance reform so my Dr. can treat me right.
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 10:42 PM
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3. Give it a shot...


Tort reform is like trickle down.
The top keeps the money, and nothing comes down.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 10:45 PM
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4. Tort Reform: So The Little Guy Can Keep Getting Screwed By Big Corporations.
Because THAT'S what it's really about. If you really need to control malpractice awards, then reform malpractice insurance.
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Slippery Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 11:57 PM
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19. Tort Reform
Who wins in tort litigation? Not the plaintiff nor defendant. The Attorney wins. Win, lose or draw, the atty gets to bill hours that will pay for the Porsche, yacht, trophy wife, estate, etc., etc....
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 08:36 AM
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32. Bullshit. You think the atty should work for free?
Edited on Mon Aug-31-09 08:37 AM by baldguy
Do you work for free? No, I didn't think so.

"Tort reform" is just another way for corporations to avoid responsibility for the damage they do.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 10:46 PM
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5. We've already tried tort reform in Florida - it doesn't work our rates rise by double digits
year in and year out anyways.

This is about disempowering healthcare consumers against the hospital and insurance corporations when they provide poor care and about "defanging" the trial attorneys so they don't contribute as much to Democrats - it has nothing to do with controlling costs.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 10:50 PM
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7. Problem doctors have to be exposed . . . problem cars, which create accidents . . .etc.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 10:49 PM
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6. Get rid of problem doctors . . . stop covering up for them ... !!!
The recent edition of Public Citizen has a good article on problem doctors --

Here's a link to two of their current reports from their recent publication --


http://www.citizen.org/publications/release.cfm?ID=7700&secID=1720&catID=126

http://www.citizen.org/publications/release.cfm?ID=7700&secID=1720&catID=126
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 10:53 PM
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8. Tort Reform: Letting doctors get away with murder....
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 10:54 PM
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9. Cut off the wrong leg and you get squat.
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SmileyRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 11:59 PM
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20.  How DOES a guy with no legs squat?


Those fake legs are getting pretty good but I don't think they are squat capable yet.

:P
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 11:05 PM
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10. Tort reform?
This from people who
bury their mistakes?
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 11:09 PM
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11. Tort reform: the other side of the health care coin.
Caps take away basic protections from patients in order to benefit the insurance industry.
http://www.peopleoverprofits.org/site/c.ntJWJ8MPIqE/b.2265811/k.EA30/Medical_Malpractice.htm

Have we figured out who's behind this debate yet? HAVE WE?
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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 11:43 PM
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14. Aww Doc you made a boo boo , Help me.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 11:51 PM
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15. Torte Reform: Extra whipped cream for the insurance industry
Edited on Sun Aug-30-09 11:57 PM by Bozita
Don't forget the cherry on top.
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Slippery Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 11:53 PM
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16. Tort Reform
Tort Reform will never happen for a variety of reasons.

One reason is that the Senate will draft no laws that would deny an American their day in court,
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amb123 Donating Member (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 11:54 PM
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17. Tort Reform Destroys your Right to Sue.
or

Kiss your Right to Sue Goodbye with Tort Reform.
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 11:55 PM
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18. 5 states passed torte reform --- 0 states lowered heath care costs
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Beacho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 12:26 AM
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21. Keep The Peasants Out Of The Courts!
Support Tort Reform!
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 01:57 AM
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30. tort reform = epic fail
Tort reform has failed to reduce health care costs or insurance rates everywhere it's been tried. Tort reform is not enough.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 08:41 AM
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33. Her doctor killed Granny - you're shit out of luck.
Edited on Mon Aug-31-09 08:41 AM by OmmmSweetOmmm
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 08:41 AM
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34. Single Payer Malpractice Insurance is the answer
Overall the cost of malpractice claims and settlements is a small fraction of health care costs (I've seen numbers from as low as 1% to has high as 3%) and the major centers of cost are a few specialties. So let the Government cover it all in a single payer system and pay for it along with the rest of the health care reform package.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 08:43 AM
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35. If you need a lawyer, call your doctor"
is all I can think of.
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:17 PM
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36. Tort reform: Who needs the First Amendment, anyway?
The right to petition the government (that is, the courts) for redress of grievances is explicitly protected in the First Amendment.

If we start limiting the rights of people to petition for redress, we can kiss the First Amendment goodbye.

helpfully,
Bright
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:34 PM
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37. Tort Reform means never having to say you're sorry (poster pic)
Edited on Mon Aug-31-09 04:47 PM by SoCalDem
or make amends, if you are a Big~Shot doctor who screwed up.
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