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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 11:49 PM
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One Republican's View On Single Payer
Edited on Sun Aug-30-09 11:50 PM by Hissyspit
One Republican's view on single payer

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/august/former_jasper_county.php

Jack Bernard writes an Op_Ed for the Columbs, GA Ledger-Inquirer:

Beware health-industrial complex

By Jack Bernard
Ledger-Enquirer
August 23, 2009

I am a Republican, former chairman of the Republican Party in Jasper County, Ga., and chair of that county commission.

In my view, it is unpatriotic to continue to lie to the American public about the situation facing us. Over the last 10 years, wages have gone up by about one-fourth. Health insurance premiums have gone up well over 100 percent. We cannot continue along this path to fiscal destruction. Inaction is not an option.

It is also against American values to mislead the public into believing that everyone can get good care even if they do not have insurance. The mark of a great nation is not how well it treats its privileged, but rather how well it treats its downtrodden. On this measure, we fail miserably; strange for a nation that prides itself on being the most religious democracy in the world. Where in the Bible did Jesus say “might makes right” or “those with the gold rule”?

Very few health or insurance professionals advocate for a single-payer system, the best way to control costs and ensure access. I hear all sorts of reasons: rationing (really, like HMOs do not do that now), paperwork (apparently insurance company bureaucracy does not count), socialism (come on — practitioners will still be independent and we all know it) and so forth. It is rare that we hear the underlying cause openly stated: greed. It will cut my income.

The members of Physicians for a National Health Plan are an exception to this rule. If you take a look at their Web site, www.pnhp.org, the rationale for a single-payer system is clearly articulated.

The French have the top system in the world, with something like Medicare covering 66 percent of costs and private insurance for the rest, yet their cost per capita is half of ours. Universal Medicare will both control costs and achieve universal access to high quality care. Congressmen would get the same insurance as you and I. You better believe your coverage would be just as good as or better than what you are getting now.

The problem is not technical; it is political. It is high time we put the country ahead of ourselves and establish a single-payer system.

Jack Bernard is CEO of Monticello (Ga.) Health Care Solutions and a former chairman of the Jasper County Commission and the Jasper County Republican Party.

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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 11:53 PM
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1. got to K and R this one.. a thug with a brain, a heart and the courage to speak out
the wizard (of Oz) would be proud
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 11:54 PM
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3. makes me wonder why he is a repuke
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 12:02 AM
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5. Hasn't got the memo yet probably
Edited on Mon Aug-31-09 12:03 AM by Prophet 451
There's probably quite a few Republicans who remember when the party was full of decent, genuinely conservative men of good will. They might not notice that the party has become an outright corporatist slave or they might think "Why should I leave the party, I was here first?". Some of them are actively trying to pull the party back to a respectable centre-right footing, maybe this guy is one of them.

Happened here (Britain) when Labour took a hard swing to the right in the mid-to-late Nineties. Even now, you can find the occasional leftie (like my local MP) or outright socialist who refuses to leave teh party just because it's left him.
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 12:06 AM
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6. law of averages I guess, with 27% of voters self identifying as thugs, there must be 1 good one
and it looks like we found him
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 11:54 PM
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2. Jack Bernard might not know it, but he's no longer a Republican
His sentiments are Democratic.

I wonder how long that's going to take to dawn on him as has party continues to side with the industry that's ruining us individually and as a country. I wonder how long he's going to be a party to their lies.
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 12:07 AM
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8. maybe we should all e-mail this to Rush
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veritasvg Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 05:50 PM
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54. There's No Lie To It...
The insurance companies own the country. Insurance is behind all of Wall Street. It was always that way.

In the end, I think we're gonna end up with nothing.
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 09:57 PM
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68. And most elected Democrats of today are to the right of the Republicans of my youth
Just sayin'

The Republican Party is controlled by nutjobs, and (partially as a result) a great deal of today's Democrats are yesterday's Republicans. That leaves FDR liberals like me feeling kind of marooned.
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Lifelong Protester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 12:00 AM
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4. Good on him, but he oughta pull a Specter.
He's no longer a Republican. He's too smart and too humane, as well as rational.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 12:30 PM
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44. He will find his name on
Glenn Beck's blackboard if he isn't careful.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:42 PM
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50. yeah, and look at all those democratic politicians....
...pulling for single payer...he'll be as welcome as the progressive democrats.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 12:07 AM
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7. And Jack's a republic....why???
Lying to We The People is anti-American and unpatriotic...says a republic???!!


No small airplanes, Jack.

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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 08:34 AM
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28. He is an "intelligent" capitalist.
He dares to point out long-term self destructive behavior caused by privatized services. The cretins running the show don't like that.

Yeah...no small airplanes is right.
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 12:10 AM
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9. Americans are not so very different from each other.
But people are so very eager to pick teams and decide their team is right and any other team sucks.


I have a friend working as a civilian in Iraq right now. The locals he know are terrified the U.S. is going to pack up and leave. The Americans are a fairly nice occupying army. And they just hope if we leave they get a fairly nice dictator and not a brutal dictator. My friend says that the idea of freedom or self determination is just something that does not exist in the people he has met.

Can you imagine Americans hoping to be ruled by someone who isn't too brutal? Can you imagine hoping for a dictator who will not abuse your race of people, regardless of how many he kills of the others?
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 12:17 AM
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10. As much as this issue has been politicized,
we really aren't divided on this issue Democrat vs. Republican. That is the problem with the tone of this whole thing. It is a mortal struggle. On one side we have the insurance industry who have purchased their media pundits and political minions on both sides of the aisle, and on the other side we have us, the people... Republican or Democrat, we are all screaming for relief and we are all skeptical about our chances for getting anything except another big bill after all the dust settles. And this under the false flag of "reform".

The more I read, the more I am convinced that instead of healthcare reform, we are going to get a hefty handout to the health insurance industry, without which the industry will collapse under the weight of its own outlandshly overpriced premiums.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 12:52 AM
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11. K&R.
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Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 01:05 AM
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12. A sane and
lucid response from a Republican on health care. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you!

SINGLE PAYER NOW!!!
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 01:52 AM
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13. K&+R
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 02:13 AM
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14. He has been saying this for a while apparently
Edited on Mon Aug-31-09 02:13 AM by Egnever
http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/stories/2009/06/14/bernarded_0614.html

GOP should favor health overhaul
By Jack Bernard

Sunday, June 14, 2009

Nine of the 10 Republicans on the Senate Finance Committee have sent a letter to the Obama administration rejecting a public plan option, much less a single- payer system, in the coming debate over health care reform.

As a Republican, a health care executive and former chairman of the Republican Party of Jasper County, I believe this is a mistake, technically and politically.

Although strongly in favor of universal coverage, President Franklin Roosevelt de-emphasized it in favor of pushing through Social Security. Industry lobbyists were simply too strong.

Since then, initiatives to establish comprehensive national health care insurance have failed. In the meantime, about 20,000 Americans die each year due to lack of insurance. Is this the America that we want for our children?
....... more
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 02:38 AM
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15. He may be a Republican, but he's a good person
There are a lot of decent people who are Republicans but we never hear from them. And there are few in positions of power.

I doubt he will receive any donations from the Insurance Industry for his next election, but he deserves credit for sounding more like a Democrat than a lot of those who have a 'D' after their names. Good for him I hope others will take a lesson from him.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 02:40 AM
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16. "deserves credit for sounding more like a Democrat than a lot of those who have a 'D'"
Edited on Mon Aug-31-09 02:41 AM by Hissyspit
"after their names."

Sad, isn't it?
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 02:47 AM
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17. +46
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 02:52 AM
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18. kick and recommended!!
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 03:16 AM
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19. According to the Pew Foundation, 51% of Repubs are in favor of government-guaranteed health care
They have no representation in their party. My late mom would have asked what Margaret Chase Smith would have thought of that.
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 03:25 AM
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20. Hard to believe, but good.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 05:49 AM
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21. wow
a republican, making sense. i hope a lot of republicans listen and learn.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 06:47 AM
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22. ...unpatriotic to CONTINUE TO LIE (about this ONE issue) Hello?!
This is what you have to write to these people?

And this is THE BETTER of the Republican hoard.

Unbelievable.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 06:59 AM
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23. OMG - there is an honest Republican. I'm stunned.
He wrote a very good article, too.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 07:24 AM
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24. Looks like Mr. Bernard has just lost his GOP credentials
He's gonna have an awfully tough time getting into the next convention, let alone a chance at the microphone.
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FormerDittoHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 07:40 AM
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25. "unpatriotic to continue to lie" WHAT KIND OF REPUBLICAN IS *THIS*???
Doesn't he know this is the COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF BEING A REPUBLICAN TODAY?

Now, don't you go HONEST on us Republicans!

That would be the Democratic Party's WORST NIGHTMARE! (and possibly America's greatest hope)

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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 07:44 AM
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26. He's not a real Republican
He's still thinking. He still thinks this is about good public policy, when the teabagger party is all about preventing this President and Congress from implementing what could be a hugely popular policy that they could claim credit for for a generation.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 08:16 AM
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27. When people oppose Common Sense, you know there is something other than what they claim
Edited on Mon Aug-31-09 08:18 AM by patrice
that is motivating them. Hmmmmmm, I wonder what that might be . . . . and I wonder why those who are in the streets screaming, in defense of persons who make 200 million $ a year to NOT provide health care, won't/don't reveal what they REALLY support.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 09:04 AM
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29. Jeesh, where have Republicans like this been? Telling the truth, using common sense,
concern for the downtrodden ???

The end is nigh.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 09:06 AM
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30. Wow.
I'm surprised he's still a republican. If he's woken up to their lies about this issue... what about all the others?

Weird.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 09:10 AM
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31. perfectly stated
Why aren't more making this very simple argument?
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 09:13 AM
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32. Are you sure he's a Republican?
He sounds like a good Democrat.
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jma10131 Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 09:19 AM
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33. Job offer?!?
You should take Micheal Steele's Job!
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 09:26 AM
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34. Our biggest problem
is having both major political parties more interested in protecting corporate interests rather than promoting the health and welfare of our citizens.

Its painfully true - the problem IS political not technical.
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surrealAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 09:41 AM
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35. I never thought I would hear a republican say:
"The mark of a great nation is not how well it treats its privileged, but rather how well it treats its downtrodden."

Their actions (as a party) have been very contrary to this kind of thinking for the last 30 years. I hope there are others in his party who can see things his way too.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 06:17 PM
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58. Wild Idea...
If the Republicans try to steal "single payer" ... I say we don't fight them! :+
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tkauf0310 Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 09:59 AM
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36. single payer
" The problem is not technical; it is political. It is high time we put the country ahead of ourselves and establish a single-payer system"
The reason it is political is the whole Republican party, as well as conservative Democrats. Of, course this includes the whole insurance, for-profit hospitals, medical complex, big pharma, etc.There is plenty of blame to go around. The Democrats have been trying for decades to get this, and always seem to go whimpering into the night. If you go to a hospital and have no insurance, your bill is larger than if you have insurance. That, in itself, shows the immorality of the system. I don't care whose arm you have to twist,whose job you have to threaten, pass the public option. My preference is Medicare, but something. The bottom line is simple; if a hospital is a for-profit, it has to make money. Who pays for it? So for all the Dems crying about the cost, it's pay now or later, and hopefully, if it's later, you won't have the job you have now. The Blue Dog will be replaced with a real Democrat.
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 10:15 AM
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37. ok n/t
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 10:16 AM
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38. That went up on the FB page!
Mostly for a birther friend of mine from college. :evilgrin:
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 11:09 AM
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39. How long will this republican be on the county commission?
WOW!
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 11:17 AM
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40. "....The price of maintaining a partisan barrier is too high."
Edited on Mon Aug-31-09 11:18 AM by slipslidingaway
http://pnhp.org/blog/2009/08/28/former-jasper-county-republican-chairman-on-single-payer

Dr. McCanne's comment on the Jack Bernard article...

"If you set politics aside and look at proposed policies for reform, the logic of a single-payer, improved Medicare for all should unite those with views as diverse as a Democrat fighting for health care justice and a Republican demanding common sense business principles that would provide all of us with much greater value in health care.

The Republicans would do well to listen to former Jasper County Republican Party chairman Jack Bernard. But it’s also the Democrats who must lay down their swords and health insurer lobby money, and listen to this gentleman. The price of maintaining a partisan barrier is too high."


Thanks for posting!


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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 11:18 AM
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41. K&R.
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RidinMyDonkey Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 11:20 AM
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42. People like these always make me smile
...then I remember they're still a Republican.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 12:28 PM
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43. This guy is a traitor to
Republican principles.

Single payer could cut health care costs in this country by 50% while improving outcome.
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Jester Messiah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 12:50 PM
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45. Wow, a red dog republican.
Rare breed.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 12:55 PM
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46. Finally, something good and decent circulated by a Republican, rather than something shameful. nt
Edited on Mon Aug-31-09 01:20 PM by quiet.american
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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 03:00 PM
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47. Well he certainly can't be making any friends among fellow Republicans.
Finally someone tells the truth about the French system. I have been treated there and my impression is that it is far superior to the American system.
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 03:28 PM
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48. *thud*
That's me falling off my chair in amazement at a Republican showing compassion, making sense, and doing it in public. And he's the county GOP Chairman, no less. Amazing.


Wonder how long before he has a bunch of teabagging nutcases on his lawn?
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 03:47 PM
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49. France's doctors are basically salaried employees. Do you think that could
ever happen here in the land of the free . . . er . . . free market?

I'm basically in favor of single payer, with some reservations (Medicare hasn't seemed to contain costs very well).

But I just don't see it happening without something equivalent to the level of Civil Rights era activism.
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veritasvg Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 06:07 PM
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56. Yes...
...and in the era of me-too Baby Boomer consumerism, that won't happen.

The whole thing is dead. It's been dead for several months. The Dems are now in process of finding a way to back out without getting barbequed by their supporters.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 05:22 PM
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51. This is a joke, right? I didn't know there were any Republicans out there who
actually cared for anyone other than their masters' bank accounts. What a man! Time to find an email addy and sent an atta boy.
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PSzymeczek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 06:39 PM
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59. I found his website!
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 12:54 AM
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73. Thanks! No way to email, but I will try to call and thank him!
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Swede Atlanta Donating Member (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 05:37 PM
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52. He should make sure his life insurance is paid up.......
The Rs will be coming after him. Hope he doesn't plan any trips by other than mule, camel or foot in the near future. I laud his honesty and willingness to engage in a demonstration of facts. The French aren't so bad after all it turns out in that they provide high quality health care for everyone at a significantly lower cost.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 05:49 PM
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53. There is hope!!
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 05:54 PM
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55. Good for him!
It is so refreshing to see someone look at the matter factually and acknowledge what is the obvious answer: a single payer system, possibly modeled on France's system where people can still buy private supplemental insurance.

Here's to a Republican who is more interested in factual discussion than the current tactic of poisoning the well of political debate: Thanks Mr. Bernard!
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 06:12 PM
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57. .
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 07:33 PM
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60. These are words of wisdom, regardless of WHAT his affiliation is...
He's probably as disgusted as a Republican as I am as a Democrat where passage of health care reform is, damn it!

We've got the votes and Obama needs to follow that favorite picture of mine, "Chill the Fuck Out, I got this!"
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 07:35 PM
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61. Excellent. Thank you for sharing this. nt
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 07:52 PM
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62. Thanks for the post. It is nice to know some Republicans are not cons
and actually have a heart.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 08:14 PM
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63. I commend him for finally getting it.
The one quip I have is his statement that "Over the last 10 years, wages have gone up by about one-fourth."

The wage situation is far worse than he's making it out to be.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 08:38 PM
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64. Guess someone forgot to give this guy his Koolaid...
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 08:39 PM
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65. K&R
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wolfgangmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 08:44 PM
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66. This guy is probably taking a dirt nap as we speak.
First of all he spoke up.

Second, he spoke up in GA.

Third, he did it publically.

Fourth, he signed his name to it.

Fifth, they know who he is and where he lives.

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scentopine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 09:22 PM
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67. Damn - way more Democratic than our Democratic leadership
who are busy planning the next corporate welfare act and hoping to fill their own pockets in the process. These greedy bastards who think strip mining sick people for profits "is part of the free market" are every bit a amoral as the bastards who think torture is a legitimate interrogation technique.

Republicans and democratic leadership barely bat an eye over 100,000 dead men women and children in Iraq. I won't bat an eye if a few greedy and evil CEOs go out of business. Single payer needs to clean the scum out of our marketplace. Insurance companies are run by human scum. Let's put the public first for a change and then we can talk about letting these vermin back into the game. For now they should be shut down.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 10:01 PM
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69. love it
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 10:01 PM
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70. Thank you. k/r
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 10:06 PM
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71. if more Republicans.....
....start thinking like Jack, I might have to take back some of the bad things I've said about Republicans....
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mullard12ax7 Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 11:36 PM
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72. gross, another repuke pretending to have a conscience
and of course, everyone falls for it yet again.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 12:11 PM
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74. What's the downside to this?
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 12:57 PM
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75. ttt
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