Repubs USING Dems again. Why did you vote for Gen. Petraeus if you don't buy policy?

THEY WILL SAY THE SAME SHIT IN SIX MONTHS, WHY DIDN'T YOU STOP THE FUNDING, IT'S YOUR FAULT.

Do NOT trust these fuckers for one second. IMHO

They voted for Gates, they voted for Petraeus, they won't cut the funding, it's all sound and fury signifying nothing

These Dems are not going to stop the war, or stop the surge, or impeach the idiot

Until the people really do something as being willing to do a general strike and stay in it until they bring about the change, nothing will change. Soldiers will continue to be killed, our debt load increased, Iraq decimated, and most likely another war.

His reply was basically that they don't get involved with chain of command issues. It's the policy they want to change. Generals don't make policy, they implement it.

Of course they voted for Patraeus - someone needs to command the troops already there. What would have happened if they had voted him down? Would Bush have immediately called off the surge? No. Would Republicans have jumped all over Democrats for not supporting the troops? Yes.

The absurdity of Republican logic and their ability to make ANYTHING political never ceases to amaze me.

They STILL are incredible about getting out 'their' facts and sticking to them.

They had succeeded in painting the democrats as having NO PLAN for Iraq. We know this to be completely untrue, but this is being spewed constantly by the mainstream media.

not even close. The fascist media. The corporate media. The controlled media. --all good short phrase substitutes. But I favor, the war profiteering corporate news monopolies. Most accurate. And I type it out every time. Being called the "mainstream media" is a propaganda victory for them.

Voting or not voting for Petraeus was not a real issue. They must have a commander. But everyone knows who's handing the commander his orders - the Decider!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x64027

Very interesting and informative.

And do be aware that Congress is still not all that representative of the American people (70% of whom want this war ended now)--due largely, in my view, to the Diebold/ES&S 5% to 10% "thumb on the scales" for Bushites, warmongers and corporatists. The voters have to outvote the machines, in order to get decent representation. And almost nobody gets into Congress who is not, upfront, supportive of the war industry--a matter of money and economic reality.

I do, however--after reading NNNOLHI's post--think that something is GENUINELY happening as to ending this war. I don't think it's for a particularly good reason. I think it's because the war industry is threatened by popular revolt. So they have to get this "eyesore"--this bad advertisement for the "military-industry complex"--off the public's radar. But, whatever the reason, I do think withdrawal from Iraq is likely going to happen, and I don't think that the people who are insisting on that, are going to agree to bombing or invading Iran--unless we are all just victims of an enormous hoax, which cannot be ruled out, given past history.

People who are alarmed about the U.S. naval buildup in the Persian Gulf have not considered--that I know of--that it COULD be cover for a withdrawal. It is certainly reasonable to be very worried about that buildup--considering who's in charge--and a phony "Gulf of Tonkin" incident is always possible. But Bush and Cheney have almost no political credit left, with anybody, even their own party. The military despises them. The whole world despises them. And there are nuclear powerhouses, like China, with a big stake in Iranian oil, who could take a strike on Iran very ill, indeed. I think the Bush Junta plan to use Iraq as a stepping stone to Iran, and grab all Mideast oil, is dead, or near dead. Also, they have brought military action into DISCREDIT--and THAT is a threat to the military budget. Bush and Cheney are now a threat to the very corporations they have been larding with billions of dollars of our money.