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LLStarks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:17 PM
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Debbie Wasserman Schultz sounded like an idiot on Tweety.
Duncan Hunter is such an easy target and she managed to fuck it up.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:17 PM
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1. Really...???
Edited on Mon Aug-31-09 04:18 PM by PCIntern
"in what respect, Charlie?"
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:18 PM
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2. FL Congresswoman right? Normally she's on her game.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:20 PM
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4. And today was no different
Hunter is a scumbag
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:18 PM
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3. I disagree
Hunter came off as an asinine bully. Ms. Schultz maintained her composure, enhancing Hunter's dick-like behavior.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:20 PM
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5. I agree, and no one asked the biggest question for Duncan Hunter:
If you have no problem with these interrogation techniques, then are you saying that you have no problem with US. Soldiers captured on the battle field being subjected to torture, to waterboarding, to sensory or sleep deprivation, etc. etc.?

Pin him to saying that he doesn't care of US soldiers are tortured, or explain why the double standard...
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:23 PM
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10. You obviously did not hear her since she alluded to that very question and answered it herself...
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:47 PM
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27. Perhaps I didn't hear her in all the shouting. I did not see Duncan pressed to answer that question
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Pangolin2 Donating Member (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:20 PM
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6. It wasn't all her fault...Hunter kept interrupting. So did Tweety
and that's why I get pissed at him, he does it way too much. I mostly like him but he sure drives me up the wall when he won't stfu.
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The River Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:23 PM
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9. Exactly Right
They were all talking over each other. Hunter was the worse offender.
DWS could have have phrased things better.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:52 PM
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31. Do you or does anyone want to let tweety know that? Email addy..
Chris Matthews hardball@msnbc.com
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Pangolin2 Donating Member (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 05:22 PM
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40. Thanks...actually I've sent him a tubful of emails. No idea if he read any of 'em.
Edited on Mon Aug-31-09 05:23 PM by Pangolin2
:shrug:
typo fixed
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 05:38 PM
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41. Thanks, because you're not the only one..
and who knows..he might get the drift one day.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:22 PM
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7. I was infuriated when I realized than none of the three of them had read the Report
There they were, all three of them reported to be authoritative voices on this one of the most important matters to ever face the nation, and not one of them - Tweety, Schultz, or that halfwit Republican Duncan Hunter - had read the report. The entire conversation was refuted by the footnote that said that what was done exceeded guidelines and SERE training. End of story. If any of them had read that page they would have known that.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:25 PM
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11. ummm she said just that when she stated that what was done was Illegal...
sometimes I feel as if I am in an alternate universe around here..and she said many many times..."No one is above the law"
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:32 PM
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17. Yes, she said that.
But she wasn't prepared to stop Hunter's raving about the SERE training and "just scaring the detainees".

The report is clear, the techniques were bastardized or perverted, the the CIA "reversed engineered" SERE training and used it illegally against the detainees. They went beyond what they were authorized to do. The documents show the CIA was pushing the boundaries of what the administration's own legal counsel considered acceptable treatment.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:38 PM
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21. Prepared? In what way by shouting over him? Well she did because I ignored him and heard her..
It is actually pretty easy to do since my kids always talk at the same time...all you have to do is concentrate on the one you want to hear....she stated what we did was Illegal and why...and to be honest with you, regardless of Hunters attempt to silence the truth...the truth is what I heard...
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:44 PM
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26. If she had made the statement it would have taken the winds out of
his sails, he was relying on the SERE training being okay for troops. She was unprepared.

It's cool to defend folks, it is also good to criticize them. If she HAD READ the report she would know that the SERE crap was easily debunked.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:28 PM
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14. I agree with you.
Edited on Mon Aug-31-09 04:33 PM by merh
The report clearly states that the interrogators went well beyond the SERE training and "One of the psychologists/interrogators acknowledged that the Agency’s use of the technique differed from that used in SERE training and explained that the Agency’s technique is different because it is “for real” and is more poignant and convincing."

I wanted Tweety or Schultz to read that part to Duncan Hunter to shut him up.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:22 PM
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8. I assume we watched two different interviews, considering every time
she spoke the real "idiot" hunter simply rambled in an effort to keep her from being heard but too bad because I heard every word she spoke since I ignored his rambling and she did excellent in the face of the obvious tactics that the repugs consistently use which is to attempt any and all other voices be drowned out..what a moron he is...
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:26 PM
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13. That is the republiCONS mo
I saw Laura Ingraham last week same thing,I wanted to jump through the tv. My friend wants Coulter and Malkin we talk about who is the worse and then another one we forgot about shows up...
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:25 PM
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12. Debbie WasserRahm Schultz?
Is that who we're talking about?
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:35 PM
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19. and what connects them -- being Jewish?
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:53 PM
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33. Uh-uh, corporatism.
--imm
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 05:54 PM
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42. Loves the corporations. Right on. She started out her congressional career
in a fireball and then went DLC all the way.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:57 PM
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35. See #33
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:28 PM
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15. I don't think she's ever been an effective spokesperson.
She never comes prepared to battle talking points. She only comes prepared with what she wants to say and you can't do that when your opponent comes prepared to freely lie and throw bombs.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:41 PM
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25. Again she did a pretty good job in order to be heard since Two men were
talking at the same time..still I heard her..she did good..you need to learn to weed out the voices you know speak bs..show me where she has not been prepared? a video clip would be nice...
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:52 PM
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32. She could have called Hunter out on the SERE training.
Everyone in the world knew he was going to trot out that old canard, but she didn't have a good response. She should have slapped it down with a clear and concise response like "They do that to train for when they are tortured". Instead she tried to give some long winded response that was easily talked over.

If you are going to show up on a show like Hardball where talking points and sound bites are the currency you have to be prepared.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:30 PM
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16. I thought she did fine. She is one Democrat who can think on her
feet.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:34 PM
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18. Actually I thought it was Matthews who sounded like the idiot.
Edited on Mon Aug-31-09 04:35 PM by nc4bo
ETA: Maybe I should have said "behaved" instead of sounded. To me, Matthews lost control of the interview.

But that's just my humble opinion.
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janet118 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:36 PM
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20. I think Tweety was the idiot
He should have moderated that more fairly. It is up to the moderator to set the tone and enforce rules that allow people to speak without being drowned out. Tweety was going one-on-one with Hunter when Schultz reminded him that there was a third person there. She got few words out and then Hunter interrupted and Tweety let him. Schultz is not the best spokesperson, but she is definitely no idiot. Tweety is lazy and bullying and Hunter is a lying bully. Wasserman didn't stand a chance. It was like being at a town meeting trying to get a word in edgewise while the teabaggers are going at it.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:39 PM
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22. hunter is a bully. politically and personally
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:48 PM
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29. Tweety was an idiot in that segment, no doubt about it.
And he asked terribly dumb questions and let himself walk into that stupid Duncan trap of making him (Chris) the story with is "just answer the question" bullshit.

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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:39 PM
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23. WOW! That's shocking to me. She's generally a firebrand. What happened? n/t
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Fla Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:57 PM
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34. +1 I really like her spunk and her ability to go toe to toe with idiots.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:59 PM
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37. Besides Terri Schiavo, what's she been a firebrand about?
:shrug:

When Wexler, in the next district here in Broward County, (the most liberal county in FL) was raging to impeach Bush, Debbie took the position that her constituents weren't supporting it. That's multi-level bullshit.

--imm
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 05:07 PM
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39. I think I'm referring to the stimulus fight when she actually took it to the GOP.
Also, when she was advocating for Hillary. Though I didn't support Hillary, it seemed that DWS was the kind of spokesperson you wanted on your side.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 06:28 PM
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46. Yes, IF she were on my side.
Unfortunately, I'm not a corporation. :(

--imm
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 07:35 PM
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49. Oh, is she DLC? That would explain her support for Hillary...n/t
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 01:09 AM
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50. If she is DLC, it explains a lot.
Remember, she runs unopposed in a district with some money. She supported (or at least didn't oppose) Republican incumbents in Miami, even though she had some party position to promote Democratic candidates. I don't know her affiliations, but let's say, they would be consistent with a DLC.

She does not mention a public or single payer health care plan in her position on her website. She is not a progressive leader.

--imm
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maxpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:40 PM
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24. I disagree
That asshole wouldn't let her get to her point. Typical republican they love a good debate.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:51 PM
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30. If there's one thing they don't love it's a good debate
They love something called a debate where the "moderator" lets them shout down and interrupt their opponent.

They love a situation where they can intimidate the host and force him to let them bluster.

They definitely do not love an honest debate where the results are judged on the merits of the arguments rather than who can scream the loudest.
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maxpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 07:18 PM
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47. My point exactly
n/t
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:47 PM
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28. I must have been watching a different show
I thought she looked just fine - held her own against that cretin.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 04:58 PM
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36. I thought she did pretty good when Hunter asked if she was
going to tell Israel to stop torture - She came back and pointed out that she is an AMERICAN concerned with AMERICAN policy, not Israeli policy.


Setting that aside, whatever actually goes on, at least the Israelis have the grace to deny that they torture and to declare torture illegal.
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burning rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 05:00 PM
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38. She wasn't at her best, but she was still Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.
Edited on Mon Aug-31-09 05:01 PM by burning rain
And that's still a helluva lot better than most Democrats. I was surprised that it was Tweety, and then only toward the end of the segment, who overturned Hunter's fatuous argument that waterboarding our own troops is equivalent to waterboarding enemies--by pointing out the psychological difference. But all's well that ends well.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 06:15 PM
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43. She did fine inspite of being interrupted
continuously and not being able to get out two words consecutively.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 06:18 PM
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44. Matthews also corrected Shultz for calling the puke "Hunter"
He said to the effect: I'd never call you "Debbie".

I wish M$NBC would change the line-up to Ed>Hardball>Ed instead of Matthews>Ed>Matthews.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 06:18 PM
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45. I do admit, both she and Tweety had a chance to shut Duncan Hunter's fucked up piehole
Edited on Mon Aug-31-09 06:19 PM by WeDidIt
and they missed it.

The United States of American put Japanese soldiers on trial as torturers under the Geneva Conventions because they waterboarded American troops.

That would have shut his lying ass up but quick.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 07:34 PM
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48. "they (including Tweety) missed it"?
You think Tweety really cares about the truth?
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